Re: [HSS] 27 Hudson: Installing Tires
Rick, the biggest trick with these wheels is to ensure that the split rims
are round, and that they have no tension when they have no tire on them.
That is, the ends should butt together cleanly and not overlap, and have no
springing action. Usaully through over-zealous use of a rim spreader, the
rims have been forced oval, or are collapsed inwads, which means the ends
have to be forced apart. If they do overlap you will have to jack the
ends apart and stretch them back until the ends just come back together
nicely. As far as balancing goes, yes, it does improve things if they are
balanced, but there are very few places around that still do balancing with
the wheel on the car, and this is the best way to get them done. There is
no way the whole wheel can be put on a modern balancing machine. One way
is to check the static balance, and this does make quite a difference. The
whole front of my '29 Hudson used to shake around dreadfully at 40 m.p.h.
until I balanced the wheels. I backed off the brakes until the wheel spun
absolutely freely. Then I lightly spun the wheel and let it "pendulum",
until it stopped with the heavy part at the bottom. I proceeded to put
weights evenly on both sides at the top, and re-spun, adding weights until
it would stop at any position without rocking. this completely cured the
problem. I had to add quite anumber of weights to correct the imbalance.
This worked on my '28 Essex as well, and stopped the steering wheel from
wobbling at speed. As to what brand of tyres, just check the actual sizes,
as there are several different profile tyres all ostensibly the same size.
The original size was 31 x 19, which translates in todays size to 600 x
19". however, most modern tyres are made on much smaller molds, and the
average 600 x 19 is more like a 500 x 19", with an overall diameter of only
29". So so watch out. I have three different brands on my car ('29 7 pass
sedan), Universal on the front, Custom Classic on the spares, and Lester
on the rear, all ostensibly 650 x 19, but the profiles are 30, 31, and 32"
respectively. They are all 4 ply construction, but have different ratings.
The Universal is 4 ply, the Custom Classics 6 ply, and the Lesters are 8
ply. I hope this has not confused you. The rating is the load carrying
capacity basically. If you are going to fit the tyres yourself, you will
need either a rim spreader, or a large screwdriver or lever to lever the
ends of the rims apart. I find the easiest way, once the rims are
tensioned correctly, to lever the ends over each other sideways, so the rim
sits in a spiral. Feed one end of the rim into the tyre, with tube and
rustband in place, and lever it into place right around, and lever the ends
back over each other and into place. Good luck,
Geoff.
are round, and that they have no tension when they have no tire on them.
That is, the ends should butt together cleanly and not overlap, and have no
springing action. Usaully through over-zealous use of a rim spreader, the
rims have been forced oval, or are collapsed inwads, which means the ends
have to be forced apart. If they do overlap you will have to jack the
ends apart and stretch them back until the ends just come back together
nicely. As far as balancing goes, yes, it does improve things if they are
balanced, but there are very few places around that still do balancing with
the wheel on the car, and this is the best way to get them done. There is
no way the whole wheel can be put on a modern balancing machine. One way
is to check the static balance, and this does make quite a difference. The
whole front of my '29 Hudson used to shake around dreadfully at 40 m.p.h.
until I balanced the wheels. I backed off the brakes until the wheel spun
absolutely freely. Then I lightly spun the wheel and let it "pendulum",
until it stopped with the heavy part at the bottom. I proceeded to put
weights evenly on both sides at the top, and re-spun, adding weights until
it would stop at any position without rocking. this completely cured the
problem. I had to add quite anumber of weights to correct the imbalance.
This worked on my '28 Essex as well, and stopped the steering wheel from
wobbling at speed. As to what brand of tyres, just check the actual sizes,
as there are several different profile tyres all ostensibly the same size.
The original size was 31 x 19, which translates in todays size to 600 x
19". however, most modern tyres are made on much smaller molds, and the
average 600 x 19 is more like a 500 x 19", with an overall diameter of only
29". So so watch out. I have three different brands on my car ('29 7 pass
sedan), Universal on the front, Custom Classic on the spares, and Lester
on the rear, all ostensibly 650 x 19, but the profiles are 30, 31, and 32"
respectively. They are all 4 ply construction, but have different ratings.
The Universal is 4 ply, the Custom Classics 6 ply, and the Lesters are 8
ply. I hope this has not confused you. The rating is the load carrying
capacity basically. If you are going to fit the tyres yourself, you will
need either a rim spreader, or a large screwdriver or lever to lever the
ends of the rims apart. I find the easiest way, once the rims are
tensioned correctly, to lever the ends over each other sideways, so the rim
sits in a spiral. Feed one end of the rim into the tyre, with tube and
rustband in place, and lever it into place right around, and lever the ends
back over each other and into place. Good luck,
Geoff.
----- Original Message -----
From: "okreg" <okgat@direcway.com>
To: <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:36 PM
Subject: [HSS] 27 Hudson: Installing Tires
Hello,
I'm in the process of renewing my wheels on my 27 Hudson Sedan. In
the next few weeks (hopefully) I will need to decide on what make
and size tires to buy. I will also decide whether I should have
someone install the tires or install them myself.
Questions:
1) Would you recommend that I install the tires on the rim myself or
have them installed?
2) Do you recommend Coker Tire as the place I should buy the tires?
3) Do wheels on a 27 Hudson need to be balanced?
My next step after renewing the wheels and installing tires will be
to install the engine and drive-train.
Questions:
1) Once the tires are installed, should I leave the frame up on jack
stands and install the engine, or rest the car on the new tires.
I ask this question because I'm sure that I'm at least a year away
from completing the project.
Thank you for your advise.
Rick.
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