Re: [HSS] Re: Color sample inventory for old Hudsons?

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Hello all HSS members,

I am an H8 lurker on your group(own a 1931 Hudson LWB touring Sedan) and

have been interested in the discussion of colors and how to have a source to

see colors and get paint. Do any of you know about the website

www.autocolorlibrary.com where you can view all the listed colors for

years 1929 onward and order the paint mixed? Click on the make, the year,

view the pages of color combinations listed for the year you like and view

the colors (which are quite close to the original chips, on my monitor at

least). I have about 10 original 1930-31 Hudson/Essex factory color chips

and the matches are quite good. At least you can view what the colors will

look like. There are some colors that aren't listed but they may have been

mid-year or trim colors.

They list all brands of cars and so mixed make collecters can see "brand X"

colors also.

Have fun!!

Del Fast

----- Original Message -----

From: "chlarkin8575" <chlarkin8575@yahoo.com>

To: <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 7:30 PM

Subject: [HSS] Re: Color sample inventory for old Hudsons?





> There is one other way we could match up colors that might work a

> little easier, and be a bit more accurate.

>

> I used to sell architectural paint (ie, Sears, California, Ben Moore,

> etc.,) and to do a custom match on a customer's sample, we used to

> have a machine called a spectrograph.

>

> A spectrograph works by scanning the color and breaking it down into

> its spectrum wave-lengths. Fancy spectrographs, like the ones Sears

> has, will send the information to an automated colorant dispener,

> print a label and you're in business. Other styles will simply give

> you a formula and you mix it based on the stated formula. I'd say it

> has about 99% accuracy.

>

> Now...the good news. Most auto body suppliers will have this

> equipment on hand. As long as the sample you have is the size of a

> quarter, you can get it to work. Many shops also have the

> spectrograph heads set up so that you can take it to the car and mix

> it exactly by scanning the automobile surface. Any body shop that

> advertises "computerized color matching" should be able to do this

> for you for a nominal charge, if not free.

>

> The good thing is that these formulas can adjust from one paint to

> another. Want to convert DuPont Lacquer to Sikkens dual-stage

> basecoat-clearcoat urethane enamal? With the DuPont mixing formula,

> simply supply a small amount from the can to the Sikkens dealer, and

> he can match it up with a combination of the spectrograph and a

> little eyeballing in some cases.

>

> Sherwin-Williams, at least for their architectural paints, still

> mixes custom colors by eye and hand, and it takes about twenty-four

> hours to do. I don't know how they handle their automotive paints,

> but a call to your local S-W store should answer that, should you

> decide to use them.

>

> Once formulas are available, they can be cross-referenced and smaples

> to be stored in air and light-tight boxes can be made, and we'll have

> permanent color references. This can be done for any year or any make

> car, as well, for those of you (such as myself) who have, or are

> interested in, multiple makes.

>

> Just my thoughts on the question.

>

> Charlie Larkin

> --- In HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com, Lew Phelps

> <hudsontownsedan@e...> wrote:

>> I have long thought that it would also be terrific if we could

>> somehow assemble accurate references for colors used at the

> factory

>> -- not just in name but in actual tones. Graphic designers use

>> something called the Pantone Matching System (PMS), under which

>> thousands of specific colors are categorized and given specific

>> numbers. (For example PMS 300 is a strong, deep blue.) That would

> be

>> one way to categorize the colors when and where people could find

>> some well-protected samples of OEM paint. (For instance, I DO have

> a

>> few places on my 1929 Town Sedan where the original Reseda Green

>> paint still exists, and has been protected over the years from

> solar

>> exposure. I could match that against a PMS sample set if I chose

> to

>> do so.)

>>

>> Another -- and possibly easier and better -- way to document

>> original colors would be to photograph the pure, original color

>> sample and then view the photo in Adobe Photoshop, which can give

> a

>> CYMK readout of any given point in a photo.

>>

>> (Reseda Green would be roughly C=90 Y = 42 M = 55 K = 22) . For

>> those not familiar with graphic arts, C is Cyan, Y is Yellow, M is

>> Magenta, and K is black.) White would be 0 0 0 0; fire engine red

>> would be

>> c=0 y = 100 y = 100, k = 0. c=100 m = 100 y = 0 k = 0 yields a

>> deep blue, etc. Of course, the exact color value obtained through

>> this process would vary depending on the condition of the paint,

> the

>> lighting used in photographing it, and the color fidelity of the

>> specific digital camera. But it might be worth a start. if

> anyone

>> wants to contribute color samples, I will do the CYMK analysis

> with

>> Photoshop.

>>

>> We KNOW what the factory colors were called, at least for many

> years'

>> models. For the 29 Hudson, for instance, the Standard Sedan used

>> Woodlawn Green, Sunnybrook Blue, Ivory Jet Black, Hudson Standard

>> Blue, Elizabethan Blue, Reseda Green, Pharoah Green, Malaga

> Maroon,

>> Thorne Brown, Nebraska Green, Hawthorne Green, Tyrolean Green,

> Antler

>> Tan, Birkendale Blue, Radium Blue, Highway Grey, Hudson Brown,

> Derby

>> Brown, Royal Chariot Red, etc. The complete list of colors is

>> available at http://hudsonsuper6.tripod.com/paint.pdf. Since

> certain

>> models came with only certain color combinations matched with a

> given

>> serial number, it should be possible for many owners to determine

>> what their color scheme is, photograph the relevant colors in

> direct

>> sunlight, and email photos to me. I am willing to categorize the

>> colors and keep an updated list available on the Internet for the

>> 1929 Hudson vehicles. The database should not exceed 100 color

> names

>> for that year, based on inspection of the referenced document.

>>

>> So....can we give this a try?

>>

>>

>>

>> Lew Phelps

>> Pasadena, CA

>> 1929 Hudson Town Sedan

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