Re: Timing Chain
Geoff etal,
Have found an after market timing chain removed from the engine of a 29 Hudson 2 door I bought back in 2012.The owner was going to rat it and I got a truck load of stuff he didn't want. Forgot all about it.
Have found an after market timing chain removed from the engine of a 29 Hudson 2 door I bought back in 2012.The owner was going to rat it and I got a truck load of stuff he didn't want. Forgot all about it.
This chain has one pin (joining) that has a hole for the carter key and two pins with a slot cut in their heads separated by 18 links, no punch marks.. When I bought this engine the block had a 4" three sided rectangle of the side wall pushed way out due to a freeze. Previous owner's diary has listed the engine was completely rebuilt in 2003 with the accumulated miles from then to 2011 tallied at 1819 miles. I'm wondering if the chain can be measured in flat length to determine overall stretch. Has anyone done this or have tolerances?
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From: 'Geoff Clark' geoffclark@xtra.co.nz [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
To: HudsonSuperSix16-29 <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2018 10:39 pm
Subject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420
Dodge
Senior Six (1929) used the same chain.
Ok I have a second engine waiting for a tear down. I'll add this to my "to do" list. Current engine destined for the car has the pistons, rings, wrist bushing and rod end shims already completed, and head installed, but just snugged up but not torqued. Have not found any Egge specs on their chain so its a phone call Monday. 25-28 Packards also use the same chain, but nothing there either.
From: 'Geoff Clark' geoffclark@xtra.co.nz [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
To: HudsonSuperSix16-29 <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2018 10:39 pm
Subject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420
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Senior Six (1929) used the same chain.
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From: Jack Mcmullen forjack842@aol.com [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: 3/03/2018 5:41:24 PM
Subject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420
Ok I have a second engine waiting for a tear down. I'll add this to my "to do" list. Current engine destined for the car has the pistons, rings, wrist bushing and rod end shims already completed, and head installed, but just snugged up but not torqued. Have not found any Egge specs on their chain so its a phone call Monday. 25-28 Packards also use the same chain, but nothing there either.
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From: 'Geoff Clark' geoffclark@xtra.co.nz [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
To: HudsonSuperSix16-29 <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2018 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420
yet!
From: 'Geoff Clark' geoffclark@xtra.co.nz [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
To: HudsonSuperSix16-29 <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2018 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420
Doesn't weaken the rods. I have done dozens of them, none broke
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yet!
----- Original Message -----From: Jack Mcmullen forjack842@aol.com [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>Reply-To: <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>Sent: 3/03/2018 1:48:29 PMSubject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420
Geoff,
I had thought of that but left stock since I wasnt sure if grinding would weaken the rod end. After pulling a few I get a pattern down that made it a bit quicker. Gotta admit pulling the first up only to suddenly stop was a surprise. First time I had to pop a wrist pin to get a piston out. Oh well its a Hudson.
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From: 'Geoff Clark' geoffclark@xtra.co.nz [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
To: HudsonSuperSix16-29 <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2018 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420
onder why Hudson never made them that way!
From: 'Geoff Clark' geoffclark@xtra.co.nz [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
To: HudsonSuperSix16-29 <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2018 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420
Jack, you can overcome the separating of the rod and piston by grinding a very small amount off each side of the rod, thus allowing the rod to come up through the cylinder. W
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onder why Hudson never made them that way!
----- Original Message -----From: Jack Mcmullen forjack842@aol.com [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>Reply-To: <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>Sent: 3/03/2018 9:16:44 AMSubject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420
I've had a head gaskets blow while burping, severe back fire. I took the head down for a resurfacing, had a .009" warp around the #4 cylinder which was where the head gasket failed. This is the same cylinder the allowed water the enter after a year down time while I rebuilt the wood spoke wheels. With head off and out for resurfacing, I pulled the pistons/rods. I must admit the need to separate piston & rod is a bit of a pain. Wrist pin bushing were sloppy, so new rings and bushings. Was planning to have the block surfaced and cylinders bored. However, previously I have had very bad experiences with removing these studs in 2 other parts blocks no matter how careful I was. More broke embedded in the block than retrieved. So I straight edged the block finding only a .0015" space at the #4. Using Egge std ring the gaps were ~ 0.016-18 which was within their specifications.
So the last thing is the timing chain whic
h is pretty much at almost its end adj. So planning to do this next, hence my questions.
Also am planning to check the dist centrifugal springs. Found an Idle Needle valve in a 2 jet brass bowl Ebay parts Marvel that fit my 3 jet so installed that to help reduce the very rich mixture even with the 30ga wire in idle and middle jets.
Tried to cut some corners on cost using as much as is as I could, so the 30 hour run up on the engine stand was worth it and changed my mind on replacing more of the worn parts. This head gasket failure happened days before my planned install into the car. On the stand its a 15 minute head pull and everything else is a bedside access.
Jack
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From: Karl Hamson karlh@shaw.ca [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
To: HudsonSuperSix16-29 <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420
On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:00 PM, Jack Mcmullen forjack842@aol.com [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
From: Karl Hamson karlh@shaw.ca [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
To: HudsonSuperSix16-29 <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2018 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420
I put an Egge chain on my 23. I thought you had 30 hours of bench test on your motor. Why are you looking for rings, timing chain etc now?
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On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:00 PM, Jack Mcmullen forjack842@aol.com [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Karl,
Thanks for the Ebay reference. Was hoping for a "ready to install" alternative maybe a Summit or ? for about $200. If all else, have you used the chain from Egge ?-----Original Message-----
From: KARL HAMSON karlh@shaw.ca [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
To: HudsonSuperSix16-29 <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2018 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [HSS] Egge Timing Chain TC420Check Ebay. They often have 10' lengths of morse chain or equal for about $80. You need the centre guide and the correct width is ideal. Karl
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On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Jack Mcmullen forjack842@aol.com [HudsonSuperSix16-29] <HudsonSuperSix16-29@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Any body bought this chain for their 29? Its almost $300, is there a low cost one available else where?Thanks
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