1 Found Dead So Far On Mt.Hood Oregon

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I know this is not Hudson related but I think that us Hudson folks talk about anything. What I would like to know is when people risk there own lives for a thrill when and what are our government agencies responsable for ? I have been watching the rescue on tv and the risk the people are taking trying to save these 3 guys is amazing but at what cost ? What are your thoughts about this ? Should we charge the familys for this and should we put people in this situation for another persons thrill ? Thanks, Ron

faustmb

This stuff happens all the time. It makes me realize that it takes a special kind of person (cops, fireman, etc, ) to risk their lives to rescue people that make these kind of choices. These people deserve respect for doing the morally correct thing when common sense says why bother.



These guys are adults and should understand the conseqences. Rescue teams exist for the most part because humans make bad choices. I guess if I was facing death each time I made a bad choice, I would hope that someone might consider saving me. I hope I would learn from it. I don't know the case, but these guys were most likely inexperienced.



There was a recent case here in a Tampa where some guy smoked crack and decided to skinnydip in the pond behind his house at 4:00 AM. A neighbor woke up to the man screaming as a 12' gator was eating the crackheads arm. Three local cops waded waist deep into the pond with the gater and saved this guy (minus his arm). Talk about job dedication!



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I have never climbed a snow capped mountain or skinnydipped with aligators since I joined the Hudson forum. Thanks to all of you for your support.



Matt

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Most will never know the amount of compassion Our fellow human beings are willing to extend to those who have come into harms way either by choice or chance. When we say ...the governent... we are actually talking about our elected officials, friends, neighbors, US military members, law enforcement, firefighters and the list goes on... we do this because we are connected as Humans... thanks to those who at anytime anywhere are willing to put thier personal lives aside and attempt to bring others from harms way.



I am proud to know others including a son who sets aside thier lives on a regular basis to assure those of use who fail the test of success and need thier help recieve that gift.



Hope all of you Hudsonites are well this Chirstmas season.



Cheers from the Heart of Texas

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Ron P wrote:

I know this is not Hudson related but I think that us Hudson folks talk about anything. What I would like to know is when people risk there own lives for a thrill when and what are our government agencies responsable for ? I have been watching the rescue on tv and the risk the people are taking trying to save these 3 guys is amazing but at what cost ? What are your thoughts about this ? Should we charge the familys for this and should we put people in this situation for another persons thrill ? Thanks, Ron

Should you be charged for the police to respond to a call of an intruder in your home? Should you be charged if a city ambulance has to take you to a hospital. Should the fire department charge you for putting out a fire in your home? Of course, the answers should be no. We pay for these services with our taxes. Personally, I don't think those without children should pay taxes to a school district. However, we must pay for law, order and to assure a literate population in an orderly society. (For obligatory Hudson content, please replace the word "you" with "Hudson Owners.")

MikeWA

Had a discussion about this very point this AM with a friend at the coffee shop who windsurfs. Course he is all for people doing what they want, regardless of risk, and the public pays for the rescue. From my side, anyone who lives in the northwest knows the conditions on the mountains in winter, and anyone who goes climbing should be on their own. Difference should be whether the perp knew, or should have known, of the inordinate risk he was taking by doing the activity. Sorry, I have little sympathy for those who throw themselves in harms way for self gratification, and then expect us to bail them out when it (predictably) goes sideways.

mars55

The trouble is where do you draw the line? 99% of search and rescues don't involve experienced climbers, but Joe Sixpack in flip-flops who goes out and gets lost.

Aaron D. IL

Nowadays people get charged if you are rescued in a car accident, I got charged for the ambulance, even the fire department sent my insurance company a bill. It's not right, we pay taxes for this, so either save a person or don't but don't save a person and perform a wallet-ectomy. That's more the behavior of vultures. You know what it is though.....politician gets elected and the police and fire department says they need more money of operational expenses.....well raising taxes is always politically unpopular so how do you get around that? RAISE FEES...especially fees that don't have a huge constituency to fight them. It'd be nicer if our leaders were just more up front with us and said "Hey look guys, fire Department needs to keep their equipment in top shape" and then put an honest referendum on the ballot. I think people would give the people who rescue others what they need.

As far as people taking risks.... no one should be liable for that, adults can make their own choices including those done for a cheap thrill. True we have safety nazi's who stop a lot of us from having fun that isn't really all that risky. It should be our choice. And ideally we should all be self-aware enough creatures not to stick around when we get warnings that conditions are going to turn bad. When we get caught in some situation by surprise though, I thank my lucky starts that there are people who are willing to help.

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faustmb wrote:

This stuff happens all the time. It makes me realize that it takes a special kind of person (cops, fireman, etc, ) to risk their lives to rescue people that make these kind of choices. These people deserve respect for doing the morally correct thing when common sense says why bother.

These guys are adults and should understand the conseqences. Rescue teams exist for the most part because humans make bad choices. I guess if I was facing death each time I made a bad choice, I would hope that someone might consider saving me. I hope I would learn from it. I don't know the case, but these guys were most likely inexperienced.

There was a recent case here in a Tampa where some guy smoked crack and decided to skinnydip in the pond behind his house at 4:00 AM. A neighbor woke up to the man screaming as a 12' gator was eating the crackheads arm. Three local cops waded waist deep into the pond with the gater and saved this guy (minus his arm). Talk about job dedication!

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I have never climbed a snow capped mountain or skinnydipped with aligators since I joined the Hudson forum. Thanks to all of you for your support.

Matt

Just for the record, the guys on Mt. Hood were highly experienced climbers. The one that was found dead had 25 years experience. I do agree with your opinion the the situation. They knew the risks.
Bob

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Hey Bubba.....I hear it's gonna get below zero and winds will be over

100MPH on Mt Hood...what do ya say we take a look see fer ourselves..



You get the beer and I'll grab the Nachos.......





DUHHHHHHHH

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As much as I agree with everyone here about these guys putting rescue crews at risk for something to satisfy their own desire to have a thrill, I am really torqued off at the lack of compassion. There is one man dead and we all know that the other two are probably dead. I think that their families would much rather have our prayers and good thoughts during this time than the discussion going on here. I am by no means a bleeding heart type person, but these guys lost their lives. You know you could be driving your Hudson and have a wreck and be killed and some other group would be saying " If they hadn't been driving that old car without power brakes and no safety belts, then the cops and the ambulance crew wouldn't have to have been out on the side of the busy highway cutting their bodies out. I wonder if their family is going to be charged for that".
It works a lot of different ways, you know. When my son's fiance was killed in a car wreck two years ago, I would have kicked someones a$$ if I had heard a discussion going on like this. It is not appropriate.
I hope that I offend no one. That is not my intent. It is just something I had to get off my chest.
Bob

Aaron D. IL

Americans are good at "blaming the victim".

hudsontech

Having been in the "search and rescue" business for over 15 years I'm here to tell you the hardest thing to do is call off a search with the people still missing. It is traumatic and dis-heartening to the rescuers. Never mind what the people you're trying to find did, or did not do; never mind maybe putting your life on the line trying to help someone in peril - the worst part is telling the familys the search is being suspended. They, along with the rescuers, always carry that feeling, deep down, that maybe more could have been done.



Alex Burr

USCG, Ret.