Precious axle bearings

Park_W

Anyone know what the infamous 25877T ('36-'51) axle bearings are going for among us club members these days? I'm trying to determine what's a fair price for both buyer and seller, and I don't think it's $100 plus (yeah, I know the retailers are getting $200 plus for them).



If you have some info on this question and don't want to post it, please e-mail me directly: hetpwald@mindspring.com (remove the het first). Thanks, all!

tigermoth

park, have you tried northwestern auto supply in grand rapids, michigan? sammy is a great guy. 616-241-5611. gene or sammy(owner) should be able to help you out. sincerely, tom

Jon B

Park, I have a nice used one (it's a little rusty) I'd be happy to sell you for only $175, LOL!

Unknown

I recently bought a set from motion industries @ $208.00 per bearing

plus tx.



Will

Park_W

Folks, there are a fair number of these bearings out there within the club, both new and good used, some of the latter still on an axle. It doesn't seem to me we should be either asking or paying the outlandish sums the retailers are demanding. We ought be able to figure out some mechanism for making them available at a reasonable price, while avoiding someone's buying up a bunch just for exhorbitant resale. Put your thinking caps on.



Meanwhile, the good news is that, properly maintained (lubrication and axle end play adjustment), they don't fail often at all.

PAULARGETYPE

Hi Park If Some One Needs One Like There Broke Down I'll 'give' Them And Axel With A Good Bearing On It All Greased Up And Ready To Go Hows That For Being Under A $100 Bucks

[Deleted User]

I agree with Park we should be able to source parts internally to the HET club and agree on a fair price. A $100 a bearing sounds ok to me. It all comes down to people agreeing what is fair. I would hope we would want to help each other keep these Hudsons running. I have a bucket of bearings that were in the trunk of my Hudson when I bought it. I will go through them and check what they are if I have spares I would gladly pass them on to those who need them for a fair price.

bob ward

I've researched the 25877T problem before, but memory fails. Can someone jog my grey matter and tell me the OD of the cup/outer for these bearings?

TOM-WA-

Harry B. 01/29/05 15:25:52

I saw on the forum a question about axle bearing 25877T. Would the bearing on the belowlisted link be the same on? It's the tenth item down cost is 9.00 each. I could not post a message on the forum so I'll put it here.



http://www.ford8n.com/f8shop/index.cgi?ID=O4MYL4&task=show&pgidx=109

Jon B

It LOOKS like it's tapered! Supposedly fits a Ford 9N tractor main drive gear. It's the cone; you would need the old cup, I suppose... Any comments by our knowledgeable Hudsonites? Thanks to Harry B. for this interesting discovery!

PAULARGETYPE

It Sure Looks Like The Right Bearing You Know When I Was Rebuilding Baby' 4 Years Ago I Paid $9.51 For These Bearings And Some People Didn't Beleave Me A Big Thnaks To Tom From Wa

Park_W

But note that the info along with that bearing listing says the MANUFACTURER'S part number is 25877, no 'T.' And it would be surprising to find a tapered hole bearing in a transmission application. One would want to confirm with that supplier whether these are reall 877Ts. And Bob Ward, my reference info says either 25820 or 25821 is the correct cup. Some references match the 820 with the 25877T, and the 821 cup with the non 'T' cone.

bob ward

Thanks Park, those part numbers have kick started the mental processes. Bearing size info comes from the Burns Industrial bearing catalogue http://www.burnsindustrial.com/bearsect.pdf pages 21 & 22.

There are 2 ways of making parallel bore cones fit a tapered shaft, one is to make a taper ID/parallel OD adaptor sleeve, the other is machine out a smaller bore cone to suit the taper



METHOD ONE The 25820 and 25821 cups are both 2.875" x .750". The largest bore cone that fits these cups is the 25880 which has a bore of 1.436", axle dia is 1.375". The adaptor sleeve wall thickness would be 30 thou at its thinnest, a bit skinny but quite machinable.



METHOD TWO There is another cup with 2.875" OD, the 2820, and its cone, the 2879 has a bore of 1.250". Any of the better machine shops would be able to grind the bore into a taper to suit the 1.375" axle. One foreseeable problem with using the 2820/2879 cup and cone is that it is slightly narrower than the 25820/25880, spacers may be necessary.



My 2 cents worth

PAULARGETYPE

HI I SPOKE WITH THE OWNER OF THE Ford8N.com Tractor Parts Store TODAY HE TELLS ME THE BEARING WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT IS A TAPERED INSIDE BORE BEARING SO THAT IT IS A REAL T BEARING AT $9.06 I OREDEED 4 I'LL POST JUST WHAT THEY ARE IN 2 WEEKS WHEN WE GET BACK FROM FL.

[Deleted User]

If those are the correct bearings I am going to buy a truck load at $9.06 and sell them at $10 a piece I can smell the money already

[Deleted User]

About 2 years ago I went to my local bearing vendor and they had a tapered 25877 bearing. I had the axle with me and when I put it on it went too far on the axle. The bore on the inner race of the bearing was bigger than the 25877T. They sent it off to a manufacturer on the mainland for me. They told me the T stood for a special sized tapered bore in the inner race of the bearing and it would cost something like $175.00 per bearing to manufacture. My bearings were fine anyway so I packed them and put them back in and they work great. That would be something if they turned out to be the same. I just noticed that there is a "T" after the # on that tractor site. What a find if its the same. I had my supplier look all over for a 25877T and they could not come up with any info. They actually sent the bearing to the original manufacturer and they had no info.

[Deleted User]

Here is a set on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34202&item=4527454390&rd=1

Park_W

First person that gets one of these critters from the tractor place and checks it out, let us know ASAP if they're legit!

[Deleted User]

I see someone ordered these bearings. Are they the right ones for Hudson axles? I never did see a posting after he got them.

Huddy42

I have a couple of these bearings here in Australia if anybody requires same. YES they are the right tapered bore bearing to suit Hudson-Terraplane.

Les P. Australia

Huddy42@optusnet.com.au

[Deleted User]

I saw that a PAULARGETYPE said he ordered some about a month ago from the tractor supply company for about 10.00 each. He said he would let us know if they were the tapered inner bore. But he never posted anything about them. A bearing supply house in my area wanted over 800.00 each. I've been waiting to see if they are the same bearing.

Unknown

The tractor bearing 9n7066 used in the Ford tractors is a straight bore bearing. It is right p/n for the later stepdown axle, but it does not have a "T" . At least this is true from the OEM, Ford, Ford - New Holland ,; now New Holland. (I am a New Holland dealer). The web site that was posted was a aftermarket supplier, there is still some hope that the bearing from them may be tapered bore - but I doubt it - because then they would not fit the tractor application

[Deleted User]

The 8N tractor web site has removed the "T" after 25877 so I guess this is the wrong bearing. He must have got a lot of calls on it. and decided to remove the "T". See for yourself

http://www.ford8n.com/f8shop/index.cgi?ID=O4MYL4&task=show&pgidx=109[/url]

Geoff

Sounded too good to be true! The alternative is to get a bearing with a smaller centre and have them ground to size. I did this for my Jet (different bearing from other models). Cost a bit, but cheaper than getting the bearings specially made. I'm sure if an engineer was set up to do this it would be cheaper to get a quantity done. However, human nature being what it is, I have no doubt that club members won't want to go this trouble UNTIL the crucial time when they actually need a bearing, then they want one instantly, and cheap! What it needs is somebody to take the initiative and get a quote for getting say a hundred done, get pre-paid orders, and get them done if orders match the required number. However, I'll watch out for porcine aviators first! I would do this, but I'm in New Zealand, so would have extra postage to add on top, so that is a further deterrent.

Geoff.

Geoff

You can't use the 25877 to regrind the centre, as the hole is too big, but there is a bearing with a smaller hole and the same outer dimensions. I just don't have the number handy.

Geoff.

Huddy42

Geoff, you are dead right, members will not buy until they actually need them, I have 4 sitting here on my shelf, and not one enquiry, then when someone does actually need one, they may all be gone to other homes.

Unknown

I've have a 37 t-plane (6 cycl - 212ci) needing one good cam. I'll take the shaft if I have to, no pun intented.



Any help would be great!

Jon B

37, I think you've placed this message in the wrong place: at the tail end of a discussion on wheel bearings. For your own sake, press the NEW THREAD button, and start a new discussion under your own title. You'll get more answers that way.