Brake info needed.
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Joe,
I just completed a conversion on my 49 super Six. I used the "kit" from Pridemore in North Carolina. It should be the same for your car as well. I will write an in depth "experience" as soon as I have time, and post it here on the Forum.
Dave W.0 -
That would be great if you can let us know how it goes. I was just about to put up a post and find out how the two (at least I think there are two) different disk brake kits compare: ease of install, quality of workmanship, engineering, overall performance. I am thinking about adding this to my car next summer.0
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SuperDave wrote:
Dave FWIW, I believe Richard Pridemore has signed off on the production of disc brake kits for Hudsons. Again, as I understand it he is selling what few kits he has left and then that's it. He may or may not have a kit for this application.Joe,
I just completed a conversion on my 49 super Six. I used the "kit" from Pridemore in North Carolina. It should be the same for your car as well. I will write an in depth "experience" as soon as I have time, and post it here on the Forum.
Dave W.0 -
Thanks Dave, that would be very informative. Thats exactly what forums are for.
Joe0 -
Ha Joe . Hudson Dave here . I used the rear disc brakes off a 92--98 Crown Vic, Grand Marouis or Linc. You go to a junk yard and get hoses, calipers , rotors , pads, calipers and mounting brackets . Take all the unneeded junk off the mounts . Inlarge the two rear holes and they will mount right on your 46 . With two adapters from napa the two hoses will bolt together . Cut the rivets off the drum remove drum from the hub. Take the hub and rotor to a brake shop have them turn the hub enough for the rotor to fit the hub . Put all five lug nuts on the hub and turn them as a unit . Pack bearings and install as normal. With a little luck you should be able to do the hole job for under $125.00 . I have done two now with no problems . HUDSON DAVE [url]www.FatWhiteWalls.com:eek:[/url]0
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Hudson Dave would be nice to have pictures of these installs. If you want send me the pics or come over to my site and post them there. Always interested in brake upgrades.0
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If you send me an email I will try an send you a photo . I do not know how to send photos to this site. HUDSON DAVE www.FatWhiteWalls.com0
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Hudson Dave, will this conversion work on a stepdown as well? did you do anything about a proportioning valve sert up? I too would like to see a picture.0
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hey hudson dave one of my friends ran those lincoln rotors with subaru front calipers on the dana 60 under his 36 plymouth---the cool thing about the subaru front calipers is they have a very flexible e brake cable---you can tie it into a knot----also on the front brake application it is way safer to have the e-brakes on the front---in a castostropic brake failure appling the front stlye ebrake causes the car to stop in a straight line----with a rear ebrake set up the car wants to swap ends 180 going off the road rear end firs---bob0
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Hudzilla wrote:Dave FWIW, I believe Richard Pridemore has signed off on the production of disc brake kits for Hudsons. Again, as I understand it he is selling what few kits he has left and then that's it. He may or may not have a kit for this application.
Somehow I'm not surprised.0 -
Besides Pridemore, who makes the other kit?0
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Hi I do not know I have not tryed It but I would think so . As for the M/C I used a mazda p/u or couier P/U M/C under the floor with O/E brake peddel0
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personally if i fabbed the front disc i would prepare the front hub as hudson dave described but would use a 96 grand cherokee front rotor which is an 11 inch vented style--new price 21.99--and use an 85 cherokee front rotor assembly from the pullnsave--bracket unbolts off---i put a thread into the AMCFORUMS under the title" i want a lower american"and it shows an adapter plate i had laser cut---i did 5 sets like it----my newest incarnation will be a 2004 crown vic rotor 12.25 inch with 2 piston caliper and for the amc i will use the crown vic hub as well---on the same thread i show an adapter plate i use to mount 85 lincoln MKvll rear calipers over the same 96 grand cherokee front rotors on a mopar 8 3/4 or a dana 60---bob0
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Here is a photo of Hudson Daves Disc brake mod.
Joe0 -
Joe C wrote:Here is a photo of Hudson Daves Disc brake mod.
Joe
I'm really not a fan of the Mercury rear to Hudson front disc brake swap. Its cheap, but I don't believe its a wise modification.
The reason, if you'll look at the picture - the rotor is too small in diameter, too thin, and never intended to dissipate the heat that a normal front disc rotor is designed to do. Its swept area is too small relative to the braking percentage a front brake is supposed to handle vs. the weight of the stepdown.
It will stop you, but so will a 1-3/4" front drum from a Pacemaker if set up correctly.
The Pridemore and LaBud front disc setups are better thought out. The LaBud front disc setup doesn't make allowance for the residual pressure valve in the stepdown master cylinder and causes the front to eventually lockup if the master cylinder isn't swapped out for a dual pot or some other single pot without the internal residual pressure valve. Wes Kitchens used a LaBud with another master cylinder and external residual valves of the proper pressures for the types of braking systems he was using.
I'd favor the Pridemore setup as they truly address all the issues I disagree with in the Mercury swap. His setup also uses very common and heavy duty parts that can be upgraded by the aftermarket offerings (such as Wilwood) if desired. I talked to Richard at the Hudsons in the Heartland meet and was saddened to hear this setup may not be available once the current batch is sold out.
If given the choice between the Mercury rear disc and a larger 2-1/4 Hudson drum - I'd take the larger front drum.
I'm really sorry if this pees in somebody's cheerios - but that is my honest opinion on the matter. I've consulted other folks who know brakes better than I, and they also think its a bad idea for the same reasons.
Mark0 -
Well I worked for Ford for 28 years all I did was BRAKES and Alignments but that dose not qualify me as someone who knows brakes . All I know is that mine work fine and so do my buddys . Sorry for posting bad Info. Hudson Dave www.FatWhiteWalls.com0
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Thanks for all of the feed back, different views are a good thing. Bill A once told me a Hornet front brake up grade would work good and be a direct bolt on. Dollar for dollar I think I would go for a vented disc conversion. I converted my '60 Chevy wagon front brakes a few months ago to disc's with an 8" dual booster/master and it is a major night and day difference from the drums. It's good to hear what other people are doing and how it works out for them. Personally I haven't had time to go hopping through the wrecking yards since I got married and had kids:(
Joe0 -
Hudson Dave wrote:Well I worked for Ford for 28 years all I did was BRAKES and Alignments but that dose not qualify me as someone who knows brakes . All I know is that mine work fine and so do my buddys . Sorry for posting bad Info. Hudson Dave www.FatWhiteWalls.com
Hudson Dave, I'm a pretty big fan of your tech - that's the truth. There is coming a time when I going to want to know alot more about your Isuzu power steering setup, that is just sweet.
I don't consider the brakes bad info, its just that I wouldn't want anybody pushing that outfit too far. If you aren't leaning on the pedal excessively, it would probably work without problem. If fitted to the rear of a Hudson, they'd be dynamite.
If you're really gonna hammer the brakes alot or ride them off mountains at interstate speed - I wouldn't use the Mercury setup.
I wasn't trashing you, just offering another opinion. The rotor worries me more than anything else about that setup.
Mark0 -
Hudzilla wrote:Dave FWIW, I believe Richard Pridemore has signed off on the production of disc brake kits for Hudsons. Again, as I understand it he is selling what few kits he has left and then that's it. He may or may not have a kit for this application.
When I talked to Richard, he said he'd sell the patterns and specs of his brake outfit to someone wanting to take it over. I think the deal included CAD specs and the CNC programming to machine both the caliper plates and front hubs, as well as the other information that went into the system.
It was a good system. The CNC machined hubs made me drool - I'll admit.
Mark0
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