I need a 308!!

Unknown

Turns out the "rebuit" engine in my '51 Hornet was anything but. The owner had the engine and tranny completely rebuilt and it hasn't run since. He gave me receipts and dcumentation of the work done to it, but the work he was charged for was never done. With its cracks in 4 of the cylanders and all the other problems, it's going to cost me over $6,000 to fix it according to the machinest. I just graduated college recently and don't have that kinda dough, so does anyone have any leads on getting a new block? I live in Seattle. I was checking out uncommon engineering's 7X 308 motors that start at $7,000. Does anyone know if that is with the exchange or for an outright purchace (If my block is even at all salvagable).



Thanks,

Neil

Uncle Josh

Find a junkyard with an old Hudson in it, drag it home, take the motor apart, clean everything, replace what you have to, and you have an ecomonical 308 with more power thqn you know what to do with, and an education you can't buy..

rambos_ride

Darn! About 2 years too late, I would have given you my old 308 - unknown condition though.

There is an auction this weekend Feb 24th in Graham with a Hornet and possibly some other Hudson parts listed on Craigslist?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/gms/281499596.html

Unknown

If you can't afford to do the job correctly at this time, save your money and wait until such a time that you can. That's unless you want to waste time and money chasing after another dud of an engine. IMHO, purchasing an engine from a reputable business, especially one that offers a warranty on its product, is money well invested. Like the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for."

Unknown

Neil,



Did you see the White Triangle New lately? Dave Kostansek & Tim Cheney have rebuilt Hornet Engines for sale for $2,900. Completely rebuilt with head, pan, front pulley installed - ready for your accessories. One available now, more in the spring. (440 ) 293-4079. Now they say it is $2,900 exchange. You might want to call them and see if your current engine would be elgible for exchange. They are located in Ohio, not sure what the shipping would be.



BST RGDS

GARY ( happychris )

Unknown

Niel

I live in Portland OR. and have access to engines and parts, please E-mail me at (waltfredco@msn.com) and we can review your needs.

Happy Hudsoning

Fred

Walt-LA

Neil,



Because cracking is an issue with these engines, I wouldn't buy one unless I could see it cleaned up with the head off. The one that came with my car had cracks on five cylinders, and ran fine until it warmed up and water got into the combustion chambers... Then it looked like it had a blown head gasket, but was a lot more expensive to fix! And then had to go through a number of motors before finding one that was crack free. There are repairs that can be effected in some cases, but better to stay away from the problem in the first place. Walt-LA

Unknown

FRED CONNORS is the man you need to talk with....If he cant fix you up then no one can.......

Unknown

I have a 1953 hudson parts car with a 308 twin H. Perfer to sell the whole car.

drivergo2

Question. will the 262 crack just like the 308 or not . Thanks Drivergo2

464Saloon

I would think you could just sleeve it and never have to worry about cracked cylinders again. A lot of motors out there are sleeved and some are right from the factory sleeved.

Unknown

If you read the first post again you will find that Neil indicated that he had a block with Four (4) cylinders cracked. I most cases Hudson engines crack starting at the valve seat area and migrate into the cylinders, due to high block and combustion tempatures. To repair this engine (if possible) would require at least four valve seats, guides, valves and cylinder sleeves at a minium, so you can see why he was quoted such a high dollar for the repair.

The best bang for Neil's Buck is to obtain a known good block and do a proper repair.

464Saloon

I understood the post, I am new to Hudsons but not to old cars and parts that are not easily found. I have had a Y-block Ford sleeved, a couple of flathead Fords pinned and sleeved and a 455 Olds head pinned where it cracked between the valves. So what I am saying is it can be done, now whether it is worth it on a 308, well I don't know how many of those are still around. Honestly this cracking problem is news to me on Hudson motors. As I so far had understood it, Hudson motors had extremely high quality and nickel content, and they just don't fail. Maybe you can expand on this a little so maybe I and others can avoid running into the same problem.

Thanks

Walt-LA

My understanding of the problem is that it is usually caused from being allowed to run hot (as in out of coolant). Especially if followed by addition of cold water before the block has cooled down. Walt-LA

hudsonguy

Walt-LA wrote:

My understanding of the problem is that it is usually caused from being allowed to run hot (as in out of coolant). Especially if followed by addition of cold water before the block has cooled down. Walt-LA

That's my understanding, as well. A cracked block probably means that at some point in it's 50+ years it overheated and/or came in contact with cold water as Walt points out.



My experience with 262 blocks highlighted the fact that the early blocks (I believe all of '48 and also a portion of early '49s) were more prone to this type of cracking. During the production run of '49 they added a large, circular 'cut' to the area between the two valves and the bore. This no doubt improved the flow within the engine, as well as maybe relieving some of the stresses set up when the valve seats were cut in the block. That's where my early '49 block cracked. It started at the No. 6 exhaust valvle seat and progressed over to the bore. After a few years, it had progressed downward into the bore well over .375". That's when I picked up a later manufactured '49 engine and discovered this change that Hudson had made.



I'd also looked into sleeving, crack repairing, etc. But since 262 blocks are still fairly easy to come by, I was much better off replacing it, than sticking all that money into my original block. There really are no long term guarantees with any of these block repairs, so failure down the road would always be in the back of my mind.

464Saloon

There's a 308 for sale in the recent WTN for around 800.00