Paint Matching

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I went to Pro-1 Auto Paint Suppliers today and they took a pic of my 1950 Revue Red Metallic paint chip and did a small batch to match. It looks pretty close (but who knows after 57 years!) but we're going to spray it on one of the fenders I'm not using to see what it looks like (under some clear coat). The ppg guy says with a quality base and clear coat I could get 10-15 years out of it here the constant AZ sun and heat (it will not be garaged). The base is normally about $488 a gallon but my neighbor will get it for about a third of that (they do a lot of resto biz w/ them).

Any opinions on paint brands? I haven't gone to Sherwin Williams which I think I have the '50 mix codes (that is, I have them, but don't know if they are too old - the ppg guy couldn't match anything to my chip numbers), but don't know anything about their brand and quality.

Any thoughts guys?

Jay

rambos_ride

jsrail wrote:

I went to Pro-1 Auto Paint Suppliers today and they took a pic of my 1950 Revue Red Metallic paint chip and did a small batch to match. It looks pretty close (but who knows after 57 years!) but we're going to spray it on one of the fenders I'm not using to see what it looks like (under some clear coat). The ppg guy says with a quality base and clear coat I could get 10-15 years out of it here the constant AZ sun and heat (it will not be garaged). The base is normally about $488 a gallon but my neighbor will get it for about a third of that (they do a lot of resto biz w/ them).

Any opinions on paint brands? I haven't gone to Sherwin Williams which I think I have the '50 mix codes (that is, I have them, but don't know if they are too old - the ppg guy couldn't match anything to my chip numbers), but don't know anything about their brand and quality.

Any thoughts guys?

Jay

I bet I could get a PPG mix code for that paint!

I managed in a PPG Auto Paint Store back in the 80.s (is there anything I haven't done yet? Hmmm...maybe a topic for another thread?) and most of the time its that the person behind the counter doesn't know where to look or who to ask.

I've used just about every brand over the years RM, PPG, SW, NASON, Glasurit- certain paints are better than others but mostly thats only by chemical makeup (acrylic enamel vs. urethane vs. synthetic)

BC/CC as described is the best for color protection and depth. I'm a bit partial to PPG DBU Deltron (whatever they call it right now) for urethanes as I've always found their systems easy to work with.

I forget - was part of the original car the Revue Red? Are you stuck on using an original Hudson color - some of the newer tri-coat colors are pretty nice looking with a lot of depth...maybe a newer red that is close?

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Dan, the ppg guy looked up their computer as well as their old paint chip sheets (which only went back to 54 Hudsons). He called someone as well. He said there was no cross reference between SW and Dupont mix numbers. The Deltron is what he made my sample of. Yes, the original car was "revue red", it appears that it was a Pacemaker option, though my SW sheet says its the same as the '49 Radiant Red. I'm not stuck on the originl color, just wanted to see what it would look like. I'm going to the SW place and see if they can match it exactly for kicks. I want ghost flames on it, so the color has to work with that fact. I am considering a metal flake (lime green maybe?), though it may be too wild for everyday driving!

Jay

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Hey Jay,

.... it's rumored that Jeff Gordon uses Dupont on his race cars. Jeff has been the fastest car the past few weeks, including in Phoenix, so it stands to reason that if you use Dupont, the paint might not last any longer, but your car will at least be faster than everyone else's!



The lime green won't make your's to wild, all the rest will just be to boring.



It's good to see you back at it.



Terry

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Thanks Terry! Its good to have tax season over. When you coming back out this way? You going to drive the Hud next time?

Jay

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jsrail wrote:

Thanks Terry! Its good to have tax season over. When you coming back out this way? You going to drive the Hud next time?



Jay

I will probably get back out in a month or two. I'll have to get my A/C fixed before I try and tackle your "dry heat" in the Hudson!



Terry

rambos_ride

jsrail wrote:

Dan, the ppg guy looked up their computer as well as their old paint chip sheets (which only went back to 54 Hudsons). He called someone as well. He said there was no cross reference between SW and Dupont mix numbers. The Deltron is what he made my sample of. Yes, the original car was "revue red", it appears that it was a Pacemaker option, though my SW sheet says its the same as the '49 Radiant Red. I'm not stuck on the originl color, just wanted to see what it would look like. I'm going to the SW place and see if they can match it exactly for kicks. I want ghost flames on it, so the color has to work with that fact. I am considering a metal flake (lime green maybe?), though it may be too wild for everyday driving!

Jay

Awright...what's the plan? Is this thing going to be painted like a car or a fiberglass bass boat

Why not just old school it and go with a Metaflake brand candy apple red with pearl flames?

I know everyone is into "House of Kolor" and other newer brands these days but Metaflake is the original "basecoat/clearcoat" system and IMHO properly applied candy color(s) look awesome.

The biggest problem with candies, or any of the newer tri-coat colors from the factory is color matching is just a bit more work and expense for repairs.

I've always really liked the candy apple red applied over the ultra brilliant gold ground coat. That and I'd use silver pearl with blue pearl tips for the ghost flames.

Their website doesn't do the color systems justice - see if your jobber has a Metaflake card to look at - or you can order one on their website for 25.00 (these used to be free back in the day :mad: )

http://www.metalflakecorp.com/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=32&page_id=29

hudsontech

rambos_ride wrote:

I bet I could get a PPG mix code for that paint!



I managed in a PPG Auto Paint Store back in the 80.s (is there anything I haven't done yet? Hmmm...maybe a topic for another thread?) and most of the time its that the person behind the counter doesn't know where to look or who to ask.



I've used just about every brand over the years RM, PPG, SW, NASON, Glasurit- certain paints are better than others but mostly thats only by chemical makeup (acrylic enamel vs. urethane vs. synthetic)



BC/CC as described is the best for color protection and depth. I'm a bit partial to PPG DBU Deltron (whatever they call it right now) for urethanes as I've always found their systems easy to work with.



I forget - was part of the original car the Revue Red? Are you stuck on using an original Hudson color - some of the newer tri-coat colors are pretty nice looking with a lot of depth...maybe a newer red that is close?

You got it. Ditzler Code number for 1950 Revue Red Poly was 50173!!

DAL-50173 for lacquer; DQE-50173 for enamel.



Hudsonly,

Alex Burr

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Thanks everyone! I wanted to paint my '42 Ford p/u lime green metalflake until someone with a '46 did it before me! Can you do ghost flames with metal flake or does the metal flake override it so much you can't ever see the ghost flames? I'm not sure I want to go extreme on the flake, I like the subtle look to some extent. Not very brave I'm sure. What about a two-tone flake?

Is lacquer or enamel more durable? Its going to have to be parked in the sun most of the time.

rambos_ride

Metaflake ghost flames? I thought the whole idea was subtle LOL!

There is no end to the combinations - candies with black, white or metallic or metaflake basecoats can give you endless combinations to play around with - then adding pearl to the mix gives even more to play with.

If you can't decide just get it ready to paint and ship it up here and I'll surprise you!

Seriously though - you seem to be a little concerned about how the paint is going to hold up and rightly so given the work and money ahead.

Lacquer is the best for a show car or garage/trailer queen - but you are going to want the Deltron or similar.

As far as the high end custom paint - you may want to re-think that as well given your penchant for risks. Candies, metaflakes, pearls, flames, stipes etc. all require a fair amount of additional work and a huge cost in doing any repair work down the road.

Any custom job is just a pain to match colors and some shops won't touch them.

My 1968 Chevelle was painted the first time in Generation 1 Single Stage Deltron Root Beer Brown (hey it was 1980, give me a break that was a hot color then!) I didn't like it. The paint material was of good quality it was just to plain looking for me so 3 months later I sanded it down and painted it with acrylic lacquer with the custom stripes you see here in the picture.



I had to spot repair one of the doors one time due to my idiot landlord backing into it. If I was not doing my own paint work I would have had to pay the bulk of the costs out of pocket as most insurance companies do not have cover more than the basic cost of paint time per panel and materials - it's tough to get them to pay for custom paint repairs and you'd could be looking at totalling the car because of the paintwork costs alone!

Good thing you have time to think about it and so many people to give you their opinions eh?

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True, Dan, True! The durability issue is because it will have to be parked outside. Only one vehicle fits in my garage, and thats Mama's truck as she hauls around our son most of the time and its more comfortable for them not to have to get into a 140 degree car in the summer. Mine will get door dings and chips I'm sure, but that doesn't worry me a bit. I just want to drive it! I still like the color sample I have and this weekend my neighbor will get it sprayed on some steel so we can see what it looks like. Wish I knew someone who can put colors on a computer generated image for me......that would give you a better view maybe.

rambos_ride

jsrail wrote:

True, Dan, True! The durability issue is because it will have to be parked outside. Only one vehicle fits in my garage, and thats Mama's truck as she hauls around our son most of the time and its more comfortable for them not to have to get into a 140 degree car in the summer. Mine will get door dings and chips I'm sure, but that doesn't worry me a bit. I just want to drive it! I still like the color sample I have and this weekend my neighbor will get it sprayed on some steel so we can see what it looks like. Wish I knew someone who can put colors on a computer generated image for me......that would give you a better view maybe.

You could contact Dan Palatnik - he's the guy who did my 3d rendering.

dan@palat.com.br

I don't know what his schedule is right now - or what he would charge - I paid him 30.00 bucks for 3 views with my desired customizations (paid through PayPal since he is in Europe)

He hasn't done a 2 door yet but since he has a 4 dr 3d model already the changes wouldn't be to0 awful (I'd think?) but he might want a little more money to spend the extra time.