6v relays

Park_W
Park_W Senior Contributor
edited November -1 in HUDSON
Many of us have been looking for quite a while for a source of 6v general purpose relays for use as OD relays (for '50 and later cars, or earlier ones that are wired like the later ones), or fan relays or whatever.



Most of us have seen the nice little 1" cube style relays with 1/4" blade-type terminals and a mounting tab built in (but only in 12v version!). If the HET Club Store could offer this type relay in 6v form, who would be interested? Price would likely be under $10. The relay would be the more versatile "single pole, double throw" type, with contacts rated at 30 or 40 amps (30A is more than adequate for an OD relay application).

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  • Richard E.
    Richard E. Senior Contributor
    I would. Do you have a source to get these made, or have you found a source that the Club store can buy from??
  • Richie
    Richie Senior Contributor
    Park W wrote:
    Many of us have been looking for quite a while for a source of 6v general purpose relays for use as OD relays (for '50 and later cars, or earlier ones that are wired like the later ones), or fan relays or whatever.



    Most of us have seen the nice little 1" cube style relays with 1/4" blade-type terminals and a mounting tab built in (but only in 12v version!). If the HET Club Store could offer this type relay in 6v form, who would be interested? Price would likely be under $10. The relay would be the more versatile "single pole, double throw" type, with contacts rated at 30 or 40 amps (30A is more than adequate for an OD relay application).



    I would be interested, thanks. Richie
  • I do not need one for my Pacemaker (that I am aware of) but I support this idea (just in case I get another Hudson that needs this part).
  • Park_W
    Park_W Senior Contributor
    Richard, yes, I've found a source, and our HET Club Store Mgr will be in touch with them.
  • PAULARGETYPE
    PAULARGETYPE Senior Contributor
    Hi All



    I Have Them In Stock THEY ARE 12 VOLT BUT WHEN IT COMES AMPERAGE IT DOESN'T MATTER 30 AMPS IS 30 AMPS LIKE A FUSE IT REALY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE VOLTAGE IS AS LOMG AS IT UNDER 30 AMPS IT WILL NOT TRIP THE BREAKER I Sold Many At The National Meet They Are $10 + Shipping

    Hudsonly

    Paulargetype
  • Paul, If you are coming to Pigeon Forge, Bring 2 and I will take them.
    Bob Hickson
  • MikeWA
    MikeWA Senior Contributor
    PAULARGETYPE wrote:
    Hi All



    I Have Them In Stock THEY ARE 12 VOLT BUT WHEN IT COMES AMPERAGE IT DOESN'T MATTER 30 AMPS IS 30 AMPS LIKE A FUSE IT REALY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE VOLTAGE IS AS LOMG AS IT UNDER 30 AMPS IT WILL NOT TRIP THE BREAKER I Sold Many At The National Meet They Are $10 + Shipping

    Hudsonly

    Paulargetype



    I agree "amps is amps", but "volts is volts", too- and correct me if I'm wrong, Park, but isn't the problem that 6 volts won't energize a 12 volt relay?
  • Park_W
    Park_W Senior Contributor
    Paul, it appears I and some others read your post a bit too casually. "Upon further review," it appears you were talking about circuit breakers, not relays. And as you stated, a circuit breaker reacts only to the current (amperage).



    As for relays, some 12v ones may work on 6v, but not reliably, especially for high-current applications such as the pull-in of an OD solenoid. A relay designed to work on 6v is much preferred, as it will live up to its amperage rating. The 12v versions, when used on 6v, don't pull the contacts closed solidly, so a fair bit of arcing may take place when the contacts open or close under a load like the OD solenoid. That can lead to premature failure.
  • J Spencer
    J Spencer Expert Adviser
    Park W wrote:
    Paul, it appears I and some others read your post a bit too casually. "Upon further review," it appears you were talking about circuit breakers, not relays. And as you stated, a circuit breaker reacts only to the current (amperage).



    As for relays, some 12v ones may work on 6v, but not reliably, especially for high-current applications such as the pull-in of an OD solenoid. A relay designed to work on 6v is much preferred, as it will live up to its amperage rating. The 12v versions, when used on 6v, don't pull the contacts closed solidly, so a fair bit of arcing may take place when the contacts open or close under a load like the OD solenoid. That can lead to premature failure.



    I too would be interested in the cube style relays if they were made in 6 volt because then we could use them as headlight relays.



    I have searched a few sources but have not found a source for them through normal parts suppliers -- NAPA, Auto Zone Advance Auto Parts etc.



    Fifth Avenue Garage www.fifthavegarage.com Advertises them at around 30 bucks each. they also have O/D solenoids & relays that are claimed to work on 6 volt also.



    NOTE; some years back I bought a six volt dual headlight relay for my Pacemaker and when I finally got around to install it, it didn't work. The lights would only come on dim. As a test I hooled it up on my 12 volt car and it worked perfect. Unfortunately nowhere on the relay was the voltage marked. So, my advise is if you find one to buy make sure it is a 6 volt unit.



    Jim Spencer
  • I am also researching the subject... but from the perspective of rewiring my car with relays that make or break the connections. I offer the following as research subjects for those who want to follow through:



    6 Volt relay- Bosch BSH00785 available from VW parts direct.

    Used as a Headlight dimmer relay

    $17.95 ea

    Sales @vw-parts-direct.com Phone 1-800-871-3619

    Conventional Square can SPST relay



    AZ986 conventional square case relay 6volt coil 40 AMP available in SPST or SPDT configurations / OEM manufacturer Zettler Automotive Products... check

    http://www.zettlerauto.com/distributors



    VF4 series TYCO relay with PC Board or Quick disconnect terminals:

    available in 6, 12 or 24 VDC coil configurations - 40-amp relay. SPDT or SPST configurations - I bought my test products from: Monser Electronics, 1000N Main St, Mansfield, Texas 76063 / 800-346-6873 - I called after looking at the TYCO specs on line and told the sales person what I was looking for and they took credit card over phone and shipped product over night.





    I have been purchasing 6 Volt dual headlight and VW headlight dimmer relays on ebay. Most are advertised at 20+ dollars//// but if you keep you eye on the subject... they can be had for much less.. today recieved 5 NOS old stock dual headlight relays that cost me <$30 with shipping to my door. All are excellent condtion and all tested good.



    For those who are looking for overdrive relays... do not discard the originals... many of those have quit working because the coil wire vibrated and broke and is some cases the points are carboned... the cover comes off the relay quite easily and a visual inspection and a few minutes with a multimeter will let you know if your relay can be salvaged.. In any case ... you may be able to put an new style relay into the can and make the installation look stock... just a thought.



    Good Luck
  • Sorry Paul, I need relays to use on my headlights.
    Bob
  • Park_W
    Park_W Senior Contributor
    Ken, it's interesting that none of the sources you mentioned have popped up in several google searches for such relays, the VW ones especially. But in spite of the existence of alternatives, albeit at higher prices in some cases, I think it would be a great service if our Club Store could handle these relays. Easy to find, and inexpensive.
  • Park



    I doubt the club will stock the relays, but there is an adequate source of high quality relays available for the Hudson owners. I just googled the Bosch and came up with this site:



    http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/99



    Albeit in the UK ... the site lists and pictures most of the relay types with appropriate amperage needed to complete the switch funtions needed for a hudson. I picked the following picture to illustrate the qualtiy of the product shown on the site... I assure you, I am very aware that many Hudson owners will need reassurance that these products are interchnageable with original stock items... I am only trying to share that the parts are available and compared to the OEM or NOS stocks are reasonably priced.





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    Cheers







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  • Park_W
    Park_W Senior Contributor
    Ken, I've found it's pretty easy to find these relays in other than the USA, and sometimes in the USA but either overpriced, or with minimum quantities that aren't practical, etc. My objective is finding a convenient source with a reasonable price for our members.
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