Need help with floor shifter

Unknown

Hello all,

I need help finding the proper floor shifter for my three speed trans w/OD. I have a 51 pacemaker, but my trans is a later model two lever type. I have a floor shift installed now, but I had to modify it to get it to go into all gears. It shifts fine now, but wont go into reverse with the OD engaged. I know that I could go back to the column shift, as I still have the original trans as well, but I want the top loader type floor shift.

Thanks,

Don

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I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will come along with advice, but if I remember correctly there is a lockout preventing you from using reverse with the overdrive "on". (I'd check it out for you myself, but I don't have overdrive on my Hudsons)

Unknown

Thanks Matt,

I had a single lever (It had one lever and one cable to control the shifts) trans installed before, it shifted into reverse with the overdrive engaged. I think this was the only way to park the car in gear and have the trans hold it in position. I learned this the hard way (my e brake didn't work as well as I thought.:eek: Anyway, I think the reverse gear is not moving into position completely. The shifter that I have was not an exact fit. I had to move and re drill one of the forks to get the right spacing, but maybe the throw still isn't exactly right. I'll try to mess with it some more, but I know of this being done as a direct bolt in, just remove the top cover, install the stick shift. (I have already removed the original forks from the side of the trans.

Thanks,

Don

Jon B

What floor shifter have you installed? If yours is the Borg-Warner transmission (introduced mid-1952), I believe the correct floor shift levers to install, come from either a Studebaker truck or Jeep, of the same era. This is (I presume) because both vehicles used the identical Borg-Warner transmission.



The earlier cable-activated transmission was made by Hudson and I'm not sure if there is any bolt-in floor shifter that works with those.

Unknown

I'm not sure what the floor shifter I am using. It was one that we got with a bunch of hudson transmissions and other parts. It was not installed in any of them, but looked very similar to one that was installed in another transmission that was in the lot of parts. Of course that trans with the stick installed was sold, and we were left with only the parts. The trans that is installed in my car now is the later two lever type. the one I removed was the single lever/cable type. I was also of the impression that the single lever type would not work with the floor shift.

Thanks,

Don

Clutchguy

Hey Don,hope all is well in the south.The double lever trans can be fitted with a floor shifter.I think,not for sure nut you can use one from a slant six,3spd.trans.I really think that you can probably use any 3 spd.shifter from the 60's??.Thinking about it,you could probably get onto the Studebaker board and get one from someone there.Stude used the T-86E trans also and they had floor shifters in them>?? Just a thought and possible lead.:)

Unknown

Thanks everyone for all your help, I will look into the studebaker lead for the correct part. In the mean time my installed shifter is working with the exception of the reverse problem when the overdrive is engaged. Not really such a big deal. (As if my poor car didn't still need just about everything else.) At least it runs and drives. My dad has been helping me out with most of the work on getting the car back on the road safely. (READ HE HAS BEEN DOING ALL OF THE WORK WHILE ASK THE DUMB QUESTIONS:eek:) Hopefully some of you will come out and see the progress at his meet in sunny south Florida in February. I will post an invitation to all when I figure out the best way to do it. We have HET members and hudson fans from all over come out every year. There are hotels nearby and RV parking on site, as it is usually a two day affair. Sorry I got a little off subject, and thanks again for everyone's help.

Thanks,

Don

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The correct floor shifter is from a Jeep transmission. You can buy them new for $100. The transmission type is the T-90 and T-86 Borg Warner.



To back up what Jon said, some Studebaker pickups used the same T-86.



There is a problem with the OD and using the floor shifter from a Jeep or any other transmission. You absolutely do not want to take a chance on having your transmission in reverse with the OD engaged. Even if you kick out the solenoid, there is a chance the OD will be in. If you by chance do try to back up in reverse with the OD engaged, you'll crush your overriding clutch in the OD unit and lock the transmission permanently.



Two ways you can fix this.



1) Always pull out the OD cable and lock the transmission into direct drive before you put it in reverse. This moves the OD lock out rod into direct. This doesn't require any modifications to the shifting mechanism, but does require a good memory - don't forget to pull out the OD cable.



2)Modify the 1st/Reverse shifter fork to operate the internal OD lockout rail.



When you take off the top plate, work your 1st/Reverse shift lever. You'll notice that the shifter paddle also moves a rod back and forth to lock the OD unit into Direct as you shift into reverse. This is the same rod you pull in and out by cable, but automaticly does so by the reverse shifter fork inside the transmission. This rod shifting makes in impossible to be in OD and reverse at the same time. Its also what makes your car stay parked when in OD and left in reverse. If your OD cable is in and you park your car in a forward gear, she'll roll away like its in no gear at all.



The best way to accomodate the automatic OD lockout is to leave the 1st/reverse side shifter mechanism in the transmission minus the detent balls. Mill the paddle fork of the 1st/reverse side shifter half its thickness. Mill the topshifter shifter fork for 1st/Reverse half the thickness on the opposite side. It doesn't really matter which fork you make the front or back, just be sure and mill the two complementary to each other. They should be milled such that you can ease the topshifter down and the milled fork slide into the collar of the 1st/reverse gear along with the milled side shifter paddle.



Its takes some pre-measurement and planning. Be sure you are keeping the overall fork thickness the same and paralell across the topshifter fork arms. You may have to mill more or less than half to keep things in alignment - measure twice and cut once! I like this arrangement because your side shifter arm can be used for a back-up light switch.



Mark

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Here is the answer to the floor shifting from Studebaker for a T-86 Trans.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Hurst-shifter-fits-V-8-3-spd-tranny-NOS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33736QQihZ022QQitemZ350011514508QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[Deleted User]

Heart_Of_Texas wrote:

Here is the answer to the floor shifting from Studebaker for a T-86 Trans.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Hurst-shifter-fits-V-8-3-spd-tranny-NOS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33736QQihZ022QQitemZ350011514508QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Ken,



Does Hurst still make a unit like that? Not the current Indy shifter, as it fits to the rear of the transmission and the OD solenoid is in the way.



That particular shifter looks like its fits forward or mid position of the transmission - which would work fine!



Anybody know the model number/name of that Hurst shifter - that would be the easiest thing to do rather than the Jeep top shifter.



Mark

Unknown

Mark,thanks for the plan on milling down shift fork and leaving the side fork in, I may try that to solve the OD lock out problem. It's great to have all this expertise and know how available to relative novices like myself. You are all a big help to the rest of us.

Thanks,

Don