Rarest HUDSON? that was built for production?

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That car is indeed rare, and what a great job you are doing on it! I hope to see it "in the flesh" someday. Are there others still in existence in England?

Browniepetersen

OldHudson8r,

Coachcraft built cars for several venues most noteably Railton and Hudson. And, the English were a bit different when it came to years of production reported. There is a dark Red Hudson Stratton Sport Saloon that has the same body metal as mine, but is different in many ways. It is regestered as a 1937? The Railton Owners Club lists three 1936 Hudson Stratton Sport Saloon's. One has what we would call a Hudson 8 four door sedan body. One has Railton front "flat" grill and the other one is a 35 Hudson with a modified body. Each of the Coachcraft cars produced were custom jobs and did not look much like each other. The Railton group considers each one a "one-of-a-kind car. There are no production numbers/records for Coachcraft built cars so it is hard to determine if another one is out there? (SOL for parts cars) There could be? Also, to muddy the water a bit, there were four main coach builders working in England in 1936 and some used Hudson frames and drivetrains and some did not. Some also used Railton designs for their cars. Long way around to say that this seems to be the only one?



Have my reservations for the National and plan to have it at the show-finished or not-

[Deleted User]

Heart_Of_Texas wrote:

Rudy Bennett asked me to post the following message:



"Ken, Hudson Kid has a Rarest Hudson find on the forom. Could you send the Picture of the 1952 Comm-6 with the following statement.

Free yes Free to the one that has a 1952 Commodore Convertible that is being Driven or being Restored. (a New-Mint right front fender emblem just as it came from the Hudson factory in 1952 and was ordered but never installed by the Owner )

Thanks to all. Rudy"



Rudy posts here as ..super651... so contact him directly about this offer.

Hello all,



Here is another rare one can anyone tell me how many 1929 Hudson Briggs body modle R Phaetons there are, I have one and know only of one other, any info would be handy.



Thank You

oldhudsons

I believe Carl Weber had one but I don't think he has it any more; perhaps it's the one you have now?

EssexAdv

To put in my 2 cent worth. Here are my 3 votes. 52 Commodore 8 Hollywood and 52 Commodore 6 Hollywood. I've driven both. A rather rare car.

Also, how about the 29 Model L Biddle & Smart bodied formal sedan. Only 21 built (rarer than the dual cowl phaeton.

Also, Hudson Kid. you mention another 52 Commodore 8 convert, do you know any thing about it. I have only heard about the Hornet to Commodore 8 conversion. Any help would be appreciated.

essexcoupe3131

SamJ wrote:

Here's a '31 Hudson Boattail with Barney Oldfield at the wheel, taken in Toronto, Canada in 1931. This would be a nice one to find under a dusty tarp in your grandfather's shed...:cool:

this would look so good nestled next to my 31 coupe, the problem is I would then have to buy a sedan as well



Oh well dreams are free I suppose



Mike

ESSX28-1

OlHudson8r wrote:

That car is indeed rare, and what a great job you are doing on it! I hope to see it "in the flesh" someday. Are there others still in existence in England?

1938 Hudson 8 by Coachcraft in New Zealand getting lots of use.

oldhudsons

there's certainly nothing like that running around the U.S.!

Browniepetersen

"Gr...888" looking 38. Mike Cherry brought me a photo of you folks and your car when he got back from your 100th a short time back. Got to love those Coachcraft built Hudson's.... I expect that yours is the only 38 running around--like all of the Coachcraft cars each one is a special edition unto itself. Great car........



Were all guessing, (well some of us are) what is parked next to your 38? And, do you have any extra door handles foe your 38?

[Deleted User]

ESSX28-1 wrote:

1938 Hudson 8 by Coachcraft in New Zealand getting lots of use.

That is a great '38, and I have never seen anything like it here in the USA. I notice differences between it and the American models in the hood ornament, bumper guards, absence of the "8" emblem in the center of the front bumper, to name a few. Do you think the car was originally produced that way, or could it have been modified later in its life?

ESSX28-1

Browniepetersen wrote:

" Were all guessing, (well some of us are) what is parked next to your 38? And, do you have any extra door handles foe your 38?

Parked next door is a real nice 1930 Hudson Great 8 sedan.



I'll ask around about the handles & let you know. But don't hold your breath!!

ESSX28-1

OlHudson8r wrote:

That is a great '38, and I have never seen anything like it here in the USA. I notice differences between it and the American models in the hood ornament, bumper guards, absence of the "8" emblem in the center of the front bumper, to name a few. Do you think the car was originally produced that way, or could it have been modified later in its life?

I understand that the car was in a major fire (in the 50's or 60's) & was substantially rebuilt by a Coachbuilding company in Christchurch (NZ). Before the current owner got it (& restored it) the original sliding roof could be seen.

I didn't buy this car when I had the chance as I was suffering from that well known disease "champagne tastes & a beer income". Mike T who ownes it now has made a real nice job of bringing it back. You could ask him directly on HETmiketaylor.ortho@paradise.co.nz (Drop the HET etc) He's one of the good guys!

[Deleted User]

This right here is the rarest of them all: a 1959 Hudson...1 of 1:



http://westslope.craigslist.org/cto/1590433406.html

hudsontech

Swampy Meadows wrote:

This right here is the rarest of them all: a 1959 Hudson...1 of 1:



http://westslope.craigslist.org/cto/1590433406.html

Well, I suppose sloppy handwritting could have, at some time, converted a 7 into a 9 easily enough.



Hudsonly,

Alex Burr

Memphis, TN

Unknown

there is only 1 53 superwasp holleywood in the roster and its here in my hometown.....must be pretty rare.

Unknown

Yep Alex, that's the way it sounds...



Guess that still makes my '39 Hudson 112 pickup (1/2 ton) pretty 'rare'. Have yet to hear about any fully restored, and have only heard about a 'couple' of these trucks, period. There is a fellow Maryland resident & CBC member who is getting 'close' with the one he has. (I am hoping to study his, when he's done - to do mine)



Picture of the CBC member's truck (Don't think he'll mind, the picture was in our chapter's newsletter long ago). Picture is 1 1/2 years old, and from what I understand, it is waiting on the engine at the moment...







That other '39 Hudson Pickup that was sold @ B-J's recently (restored by Pete B.) was a 3/4 ton, 98-Series - and I do not recall seeing another "fully restored" of that model either, although I believe I do have a picture of one (location of vehicle unknown) somewhere... There is also a modified - somewhere in the Denver area.[/quote]



Hello,

Congratulations on your pick up!

I live in Mar del Plata, Argentina and am trying to revert to the original to my 1939 112 coupe Hudson.

Here in my country it is impossible to find the parts I need, you could

tell me where to look there U.S.A?

If you need the original speedometer in your pick up, here in Mar del Plata, the sale is one of them!

You got the hub caps? I also need a game, a steering wheel, etc..

Best regards

Brian

briancanale@hotmail.com

Jon B

Brian:



Are you a member of the Hudson-Essex-Terraplane Club? This club provides a good source for finding parts, and for meeting other members with cars like yours. http://www.hetclub.org/

Browniepetersen

OlHudson8r wrote:

That is a great '38, and I have never seen anything like it here in the USA. I notice differences between it and the American models in the hood ornament, bumper guards, absence of the "8" emblem in the center of the front bumper, to name a few. Do you think the car was originally produced that way, or could it have been modified later in its life?

I would not think that it is modified, but it would be hard to tell. All of the records of cars built by Coachcraft in London, England have been lost. No one really knows how many or what body styles were built each year. Also, the Sport Saloon's were built by order only so I would expect that there are very few examples. While building mine I soon learned that engine/tranny, rearend, wheels and grill are Hudson. Beyond that, Coachcraft used parts that were available in and around London. None or few Coachcraft built cars used the bumpers and most of the emblems and trim. Most 8's had a wood dash--I am not sure on the other custom builders...

bellbigdawg

Has anyone ever seen a 40C or 48C 1940 Hudson panel delivery? was the last year for the panae trucks, did not make a station wagon that year.

frank spring

bellbigdawg wrote:

Has anyone ever seen a 40C or 48C 1940 Hudson panel delivery? was the last year for the panae trucks, did not make a station wagon that year.

I have never seen one, but I bought a serial plate off ebay a few years ago that I believe has to be off of one. Ill try to post a picture of that in the near future.

hudsontech

I think, IMHO, the first thing you have to do is define rare. Then you have to figure out the difference between rare, scarce or what-ever. Hudson only made, in round figures, 3,500,000 cars - total!!!! GM or Ford does that in a couple months, or less.



So. It only figures that with 3.5 mil cars there's going to be a lot of years that are "scarce" - pick any year between 1910 and, say, 1942. Of course 1942 models are very low production, so how do you determiine if they are scarce or rare???



There are a lot of step-downs running around simply because they were the last built, thus easier to find over the years. There is a case to be made for the few 1952 Commodore 8's that were produced as 1953 models. I would put them into a "rare" catagory, since nobody seems to have seen or heard of one. (I found two, one in Oklahoma and one in either North or South Dakota. One was scrapped - the other destroyed in a flood.)



There is also the 1929 DC Sport-Phaeton. This is another I would consider "rare" since so few were produced to start with. Perhaps the 1927 and 1929 Essex boat-tails could be considered rare along with the 1931 (??) Hudson boat-tail. And as somebody pointed out there is that ever elusive 1941 (and perhaps 1940 as well) Hudson delivery (Divco style) van. No one, including myself, has ever seen, or heard, of one. Tho someone did come up with some pictures that were posted here on the forum, I think.



So, do we determine rarity based on specialized models (like the Dual Cowl and the possible delivery van). In that case, then, we couldn't consider Jerry Hoffman's 1916 Six-40 as rare, because they were not specialized. In the specialized catagory could we consider commercial vehicles, such as Dover, Essex and Terraplanes, as rare. They were production line vehicles, but I think they should be considered specialty, designed for a specific market.



Makes for interesting debate if nothing else.



Hudsonly,

Alex Burr

Memphis, TN

Nevada Hudson

hudsontech wrote:

I think, IMHO, the first thing you have to do is define rare. Then you have to figure out the difference between rare, scarce or what-ever. Hudson only made, in round figures, 3,500,000 cars - total!!!! GM or Ford does that in a couple months, or less.



So. It only figures that with 3.5 mil cars there's going to be a lot of years that are "scarce" - pick any year between 1910 and, say, 1942. Of course 1942 models are very low production, so how do you determiine if they are scarce or rare???



There are a lot of step-downs running around simply because they were the last built, thus easier to find over the years. There is a case to be made for the few 1952 Commodore 8's that were produced as 1953 models. I would put them into a "rare" catagory, since nobody seems to have seen or heard of one. (I found two, one in Oklahoma and one in either North or South Dakota. One was scrapped - the other destroyed in a flood.)



There is also the 1929 DC Sport-Phaeton. This is another I would consider "rare" since so few were produced to start with. Perhaps the 1927 and 1929 Essex boat-tails could be considered rare along with the 1931 (??) Hudson boat-tail. And as somebody pointed out there is that ever elusive 1941 (and perhaps 1940 as well) Hudson delivery (Divco style) van. No one, including myself, has ever seen, or heard, of one. Tho someone did come up with some pictures that were posted here on the forum, I think.



So, do we determine rarity based on specialized models (like the Dual Cowl and the possible delivery van). In that case, then, we couldn't consider Jerry Hoffman's 1916 Six-40 as rare, because they were not specialized. In the specialized catagory could we consider commercial vehicles, such as Dover, Essex and Terraplanes, as rare. They were production line vehicles, but I think they should be considered specialty, designed for a specific market.



Makes for interesting debate if nothing else.



Hudsonly,

Alex Burr

Memphis, TN

Alex,

Do any delivery (Divco) vans exist?

RL Chilton

Alex!! Dredging up old threads, are we? Well, that's o.k., 'cause this was one of my favorite threads. You know what a sucker I am for the rare ones.B)

hudsontech

RL Chilton wrote:

Alex!! Dredging up old threads, are we? Well, that's o.k., 'cause this was one of my favorite threads. You know what a sucker I am for the rare ones.B)

Actually, someone else started it up again - I thought it was a new thread as I'd forgotten about this one.

Hudsonly,
Alex B

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As far as the Stepdown's go ,anyone know about how many 1954 2-door sedans were made?Also known as a Brougham I believe. Depends on who you ask, i've heard only a few were made maybee 18 of them ?
I have seen a couple of them .
Thank's Roger

53jetman

There were far more '54 Club Sedans (Broughams) built, as the Ohio
State Highway Patrol probably bought at least 18 for use on the Ohio Turnpike. I don't believe Hudson kept track of the various body styles, only the total number of each series built. We do know for example there were a total of 24,833 Hornet and Hornet Specials built during the 1954 model run, but have never been able to locate records as to the number of club coupes, convertables, sedans or 2 dr. Club Sedans.

[Deleted User]

Twenty or more years ago, I went to Kittery, Maine to look at a 1921 Hudson Biddle and Smart limousine. It had the partition and speaking tube and was in very good condition. It was for sale but I was not in a position to buy it. I don't know what happened to it but have not heard one word of its existence since. That would certainly be a rare one.

Geoff Blake

hudsontech

middletom wrote:

Twenty or more years ago, I went to Kittery, Maine to look at a 1921 Hudson Biddle and Smart limousine. It had the partition and speaking tube and was in very good condition. It was for sale but I was not in a position to buy it. I don't know what happened to it but have not heard one word of its existence since. That would certainly be a rare one.

Geoff Blake

I don't remember what happened to that '21 either, Geoff. However, that said, I only vaguely remember the thing.

Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN

Unknown

I have personally seen the yellow '52 Commodore Six Club Coupe of Steve Blake's in an Amarillo area yard, back around 1985 or 86. The car was complete and very restorable. Funny thing is, it had the front turn signal bezels and lens like a Hornet, but rear tailights were like a Wasp's. Had front rockets with a big "6" where the "H" of a Hornet rocket would be, and "Commodore" in red letters. I think it had the wider stainless side moulding , and Hornet style rear porkchops. I have also seen a pair of Commodore 6 front rockets at swap meets in the past, so I know they did build a few of them.[/quote]

My first Hudson was a '52 C6 Sedan. Never saw another one. '52 C6s had the parking lamps of the Hornet but the thin side trim and tail lamps of the Wasp. The C8's had the parking lamps and tail lamps of the Hornet with the wide side trim.

Unknown

Every time I tell my wife about the rare car I want to bring home. She reminds me that some things are rare because they were ugly or no one liked or bought them. After being married for so many years and looking at so many different cars for a longer time than her. Sometimes I think she may be right.