49 Commodore Brougham - Say What?

[Deleted User]

Anyone notice the odd things with this car for sale on eBay.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/k0280474_W0QQitemZ260207415481QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260207415481



Its listed as a 49 Commodore but there was no Commodore Brougham in 48 or 49. The vin number listed starts with 484 which makes it a tag from a 48 Commodore Eight. Even though car is listed as a 49.



Here are the odd items. The steering wheel is not from a Commodore the taillights are but the side trim should say Commodore.



Seems to me this is a 49 Super Eight Brougham trying to pass itself off as a Commodore. This car is up to 11K already. Not a bad car but it isn't a Commodore.

hdsn49

This car is definately not a Commadore. Hudson308 you picked up on the same details as I did. Now if its an original 8, then it happens to be a very rare car. Very few Super 8's were ever produced let alone the fact that it is a Brougham.



Because I have a 49 Super Six Brougham, I always pay attention to any 49 Broughams I have ever come across in person or online in the past 30 years. This could be the only Super Eight Brougham out there.

Clutchguy

Don't forget about the serial # on the pass.side front frame;)??

hudsontech

"Its listed as a 49 Commodore but there was no Commodore Brougham in 48 or 49. "



There was a Brougham model in 1948 and 1949 - but only in the Super 6 line.



Hudsonly,

Alex Burr

HudsonTech

Memphis, TN

www.freewebs.com/hudsontech

Unknown

Hudson308 wrote:

Doug; Where exactly is that stamped?

On top of frame between the cowl and bottom of brace from frame to cowl.

on pass side

Aaron D. IL

Yeah we were talking about them in the "rare production cars thread" Maybe be an altered (493) Super 8 Brougham. If so the only one I've seen in pictures. If I was going to win it I'd put it back in correct Super 8 trim.

SuperDave

I wrote to th seller who is selling for his Brother in law. First I explained that he had a brougham, or two door sedan, not a coupe.

The interior door trim is Super,the rocker panel trim is Super series, the steering wheel is super and last but not least, they didn't make a two door sedan in the Commodore series. I told him that he had a 48-49 Super that had been updated with Commodore pieces and a vin number off a 48 Commodore eight by a previous owner.

He said he had gotten the same information from others. I also told him it looked like a nice car. I love those eights.

The next owner of my 49 Super Six four door is at least getting the original vin plate, but that's about all!

Clutchguy

As Billy noted is a good description.Sometimes you need to polish or wire wheel this area to find it.

Aaron D. IL

They may have not offered a brougham in '48 but if the VIN plate was indeed switched for a commorodore one it may indeed be a '49 car for all we know. Guess the block (assuming that wasn't swapped out) would tell us for sure. Someone told me the only other real way to tell a '48-'49 apart is the positioning of the trim clips above the windows on the front doors. Anyone know this to be true ?

hdsn49

Yes it is true. On the 48 Hudsons the clip is up front near the vent window. On the 49's it was centered over the front door window.



Another differance found only on the Super Series is that the dashboards were all dark woodgrained and not two toned in 1948.

[Deleted User]

He has listed the true vin its 491 so this makes this a 49 Super Six Brougham with a 48 eight cylinder engine he has listed the engine serial number its 484. He found the original title and the car was registered as a 49 Super Six.



Nice of him to post an update. I bet he got a lot of emails from guys on this board.

SuperDave

I think there is one other difference in a 48-49, but not fun to check. The spindles were different along with some other related front end parts. At least thats what the parts book says. Maybe they used pre step down parts in early production? Bill Albright will know.



The seller asked me if he should reduce his reserve. My advice was to edit the information on the item, keep the reserve as is becuase last minute bidding usually spurts up. If it doesn't sell, he could relist with the lower reserve or offer it to the highest bidder.. I think the last bid I saw was very good for what i've seen of the car..pictures..only.

Unknown

I thought the auction ended with a very healthy price for this car. Can't imagine what the reserve may be, but I would think it's more than fair for this one, especially the color combination that is not very appealing.