eBay Paperwork with Serial no's

rambos_ride

http://search.stores.ebay.com/Walter-Miller-Auto-Truck-Literature_hudson-invoice_W0QQfcdZ2QQfciZQ2d1QQfclZ3QQfromZR10QQfsnZWalterQ20MillerQ20AutoQ20TruckQ20LiteratureQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsaselZ3472335QQsofpZ0


I noticed this seller on ebay has 83 different used. new. car invoices for Hudsons with the serial numbers noted on each invoice.

Sure would be :cool: - if any of them could be matched to existing cars!

Uncle Josh

At the registrar's meeting in Marleboro, we learned that we will be receiving a listing of the cars we monitor in Excell several times a year from the Membership chair who has the whole database.



Lee Dodd stripped out the trucks for me in a few minutes at the club store and emailed it home. I can sort it every which way and can locate a SN with owner quickly. I then add unregistered trucks I find, check duplicates, which gives an ownership trail etc. Ain't computers great?



All of these can be checked easily if someone were interested.

rambos_ride

Hudson308 wrote:

If the HET membership info were computerized (and I'm sure it is somewhere), a database search could possibly match some cars. Might be a lucky shot, though... not many cars left percentage-wise, and many cars that are left were never registered with the club.

Looks like most if not all invoices are from a PA area dealership - since Hudsons seem to be concentrated more on the east coast, who knows - maybe someone could get lucky?

Jon B

I copied and saved one of those invoices from Walter Miller's (Autolit) site, and you can read the serial number fairly well.



Perhaps one of our public-spirited Hudsonites could download an image of each of the 83 invoices and -- in his/her spare time -- copy down the serial numbers as best he/she can make them out.



Then we could contact Lee Dodd to ask if there might be some painless way to check them against the Club's listings of all its cars, to see if possibly some of these are still in existence?



The present-day owners could be notified, and could then purchase the invoice from Miller. Maybe (since he stands to profit) he'd even be willing to receive the list of 83 serial numbers and check them against his invoices for accuracy. Who knows?



I'd say that, out of 83 cars, it would be a miracle if at least two or three weren't still 'alive' today.



A nice rainy-day project. But at least, somebody, copy down the invoices before they disappear from view!

Aaron D. IL

OK I have too much free time but I went through the cars and copied the numbers so BINGO players get your cards ready.....maybe they've all been scrapped....I'll check them against my spreadsheet.... maybe some parts off of em are still in circulation. On car is indicated as scarpped with the note on the invoice "Super Junk" hehe Here we go:



48 C6 Cl Cp 48278752

48 S6 Sedan 48183215

48 S6 Cl Cp 48197231

48 S6 Sedan 481107655

48 S6 Sedan 481107653

48 S6 Cl Cp 48197231

48 S6 Sedan 48130113

48 C6 Cl Cp 48289752

48 C6 Sedan 482115201

48 C6 Cl Cp 48275752

48 C6 Sedan 48260424

48 Super 8 Sedan 48339338 (rare car)

48 C8 Sedan 484107492



49 S6 Sedan 4911652

49 S6 Cl Cp 4911055

49 S6 Sedan 49127478

49 S6 ClCp 49127101

49 S6 Brougham 49126875

49 S6 Sedan 49128206

49 S6 Cl Cp 49179523

49 S6 Sedan 49176699

49 S6 Covertible Br 49179132 (might exist?)

49 S6 491141917 (Listed as wrecked!!! "Super Junk") 8/17/1950

49 S6 Sedan 49154585

49 C6 Sedan 4927068

49 C6 Cl Cp 49216473

49 C6 Cl Cp 49239715

49 C6 Sedan 49218378

49 C6 492107722

49 C6 49278754 (sold to another dealer)

49 C6 49216478

49 C8 Sedan 49416164

49 C8 Sedan 49438914

49 C8 Sedan 4944191



50 Pacemaker Deluxe 50A117688

50 P 50013841

50 P 5002232

50 P Broughm 50013328



51 C6 6A110489

51 S6 Broughm 5A77961

51 P 4A2744

51 P Sedan 4A116887

51 S6 5A13562

51 S6 Sedan 5A94323

51 S6 Sedan 5A107608

51 S6 Sedan 5A94325

51 S6 Hollywood 5A126899

51 C6 6A13989

51 H Cl Cp 7A36512

51 H Sedan 7A106558

51 H Sedan 7A116901

51 H Sedan 7A109318

51 H Sedan 7A16135



52 Wasp Sedan 5B172388

52 H Sedan 7B158526

52 H Sedan 7B142708

52 H Sedan 7B184052

52 H Sedan 7B200038

52 Wasp Sedan 5B184040



53 Jet Sedan 1C237705

53 Super Jet 2C224926

53 Jet Sedan 2C256440



1941 Sedan T2025421

Aaron D. IL

I think Registars should record any serial numbers they come across even if we don't know the status of the car because it may come into the club later...or we can confirm that cars were scrapped. Just a thought. I'll post if any match the 2007 roster later.

Clutchguy

Thanks and Good job Aaron!!!!!!!:D:)

Sarah Young

OMG, these invoices are like a little piece of heaven for us fanatics!

Aaron D. IL

LOL yeah those cars may all be in Hudson heavan too. They don't call us "hudnuts" for nothin.

[Deleted User]

That dealership was located in Huntingdon PA, which is pretty close to where I grew up. In fact, my mother-in-law still lives there. I might have to invest in a Jet invoice.

Jon B

Great job, Aaron--thanks!



Do you have access to some kind of Excel spreadsheet with the serial numbers? Or are you literally going through the entire roster, page by page? If the latter, than be aware that there might be a better way, if we can get hold of the spreadsheet!



I have a spreadsheet done several years ago in some program with a "wb1" extension. I can no longer open it. But it listed about 5,000 Hudsons by year, and you could probably set it to list them by serial number...



By the way, many registry keepers DO add defunct Hudsons to their registries. Even if the car is long-since scrapped, showing that it's been scrapped provides "closure" for someone who's trying to find a particular car.

[Deleted User]

Jon, here's a link that might help with opening up that old Quattro file.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel/HA010448731033.aspx

4starservice

Hi,



I worked on saving the images as JPEG files and think I have them all saved. I would be willing to share them if anyone wants to have them. One digit of one serial number was not very legible but for the most part they were clear enough.



1949 CommoSuper (it's still a Hudson)



Drew Meyer

[Deleted User]

Aren't most of the HET members' car VINs in the Club Roster??? This shouldn't be too hard to see if these cars exist in both databases, no???

Aaron D. IL

IF you know how to query spreadsheets on a MAC for serial numbers it might make it easier than me trying to do this manually....which I am. So far nothing turns up in '48- '49

Jon B

Drew, you and Aaron need to get together via e-mail to trade info.!



Meanwhile, has anyone approached Lee Dodd regarding how we can check these numbers against the Club's database? (No sense in bothering him if someone else has.) I'd be glad to contact him. Lee's no longer the official membership chairman but he knows how the system operates and could probably let us know what's the best way to go about this.



Aaron, you're saying that you've been through EVERY '48-9 in the roster and haven't found a "match"?

Aaron D. IL

Sure Jon - I went through the whole roster...corrected a bunch of mistakes and painstakingly put it on a spreadsheet manually last christmas. I wrote a report too.... which we'll see what happens by the time the next roster comes out. I don't know what if anything the club will do with the data yet though.

Jon B

A Herculean task! Thank you!



However, I'm fairly sure that Lee has this down electronically. Maybe he (or whoever is doing the next Roster) could use that information of yours... especially if it highlights the mistakes (so they can be easily corrected).



So....from what you're saying...you've checked all the 48-9's, and intend to do the rest of them shortly?



The only other data source (for StepDowns not in the Roster or Club database) would be the records kept by the individual registries. And supposedly those are sent in from time to time and added to the Club's database. However, you might e-mail the registry keepers on the chance that they are working with a more complete list.



It would be fun to see if at least ONE of those Hudsons survived!

hdsn49

My 49 Super Six Sedan was originally from PA. I checked and found no match. One was off by 1803 cars.

4starservice

Hi,



Sent Aaron an e-mail!



Drew

[Deleted User]

Hi: I'm the other Aaron (Amundsen) in Seattle who is the registry coordinator for the 48-49 models. When I took over the vacant registry position, I too went through the roster page by page as there were no supporting documents available to build the registry with. I collected all the 48-49 cars, made a spreadsheet and in fact sorted them by serial number. I'm sorry to say that I can't find any cars listed for the invoices available on Ebay. The registry is probably very incomplete and also lot's of folks don't have their serial numbers listed for their cars, so there is still a chance someone with a 48-49 might have one of these cars, but as far as I know, it's not on file with the club.

Regards,

Aaron

hudsontech

tattooman wrote:

Hi: I'm the other Aaron (Amundsen) in Seattle who is the registry coordinator for the 48-49 models. When I took over the vacant registry position, I too went through the roster page by page as there were no supporting documents available to build the registry with. I collected all the 48-49 cars, made a spreadsheet and in fact sorted them by serial number. I'm sorry to say that I can't find any cars listed for the invoices available on Ebay. The registry is probably very incomplete and also lot's of folks don't have their serial numbers listed for their cars, so there is still a chance someone with a 48-49 might have one of these cars, but as far as I know, it's not on file with the club.

Regards,

Aaron

I started the 48-49 registry, back BC (before computers). I'm sure the your registry is incomplete. I think one good reasons is sending in the number is one of those "tomorrow" chores.



And before you query, no, I don't have any records left. When I let it go it was picked up by somebody in New York, as I recall.



Hudsonly,

Alex Burr

HudsonTech

Memphis, TN

Unknown

one word.......



BINGO!!!!



thanks for the post. :cool:



seriously, that was cool.



share more in a few days.



sorry to all that have missed me as of recent, I have been ultra busy.

rambos_ride

hudsonkid wrote:

one word.......

BINGO!!!!

thanks for the post. :cool:

seriously, that was cool.

share more in a few days.

sorry to all that have missed me as of recent, I have been ultra busy.

1 out of 83

That would be cool!

This is what late night "when-you-can't-sleep" ebay searches can turn up

Sometimes I just go thru the "list"

1948 Hudson
1949 Hudson
1950 Hudson
....

I noticed a couple of the invoices looked like they had detailed pictures and then noted the serial numbers...thinking it might be a good post.

Databases are easy to query..hopefully one of your members can run some reports based on the numbers Aaron spent his valuable time on ~

Even then, I know this typeof documentation shows up from time to time, but - I'd think it would behoove someone to contact the seller and see if they'd "bulk-price" any leftovers for the HET Library to save them from the "other" shredder!

Unknown

I wonder how many folks went through this process? I am one of the first in the Hudson Club to own a computer and I too went throught all the Rosters I had at the time and computerized the listing with an eXcel sheet. I shared this with the club ... to no avail. So, it and the 52 roster I maintained are on a MAC floppy disc some where. I remember the blank stares and silence I got when I brought up the purchase of a computer for the membership and want ads manager at the Golden Colorado national business meeting. Some things have changed... you are reading about Hudsons on the INTERNET ... while others continue to stay away from computers. Many of those who do not have computers have the information which could be easily shared via computer files.

In my Hudsoning experience, I have seen dealers listings of Hudsons sold ... some very complete some not so. I have also seen DMV records which were collected ... to my knowledge none of these were never included in club registeries.

No judgementalism here... just experience... getting a good listing of Hudson cars which relates to some sort of standards... will be near impossible... but I applaude those who continue to try.

BTW... when I gave up the 52 roster the next person to take it over never asked for any of the historic roster information ... so I am sure the effort put forth by those before me was not incorporated ... nor that which I had... I still have those paper files some where.

Jon B

Ken, you wouldn't be the one who originated the "Year.WB1" file, would you? This is a spreadsheet file someone gave me maybe 8 or more years ago and (for some bizarre reason) my puny computer was able to open it. Truly an awesome database! Now, for some reason, I'm unable to open it.



So far as I know, the HET now DOES have a database of cars, though it's certainly possible that some of those cars from early attempts (like "Year") haven't found their way to that new database.

Unknown

The file you have is the work of one of the previous directors of the club. He gave the file to Lee Dodd. After that I am unsure what happened to the file type or if it was updated. The information that I presented to the Club registry was in eXcel format and was provided to the director who authored the input to the full file. I have a copy of that file and a copy of another that was provided several years back. I did not merge the files as I was unsure of the source of the other file information.

Answer again... no, but I had input to the file you eventually got from Lee Dodd.

Aaron D. IL

OK sadly 1950 '51' '52 and '53 numbers off those invoices came back with no matches from the 2005-2007 Roster. (Do you have a match Hudsonkid? ...would make sense.. PA dealer)

When I went through the whole roster there were a ton of mistakes, most I was able to correct from information given, such as serial numbers that did not match models, etc. If some time was devoted to making a good database then you'd get a lot more accurate information....a database could be designed so that you couldn't possible enter in cars that didn't exist...such as "1948 Hornet". Also what would be cool is to take year to year roster data and overlay it onto a map (Geographic Information Systems) so that you'd get a map with dots that show where the surviving Hudson's are...where they are most highly concentrated.... where the geographic center of the club is....where cars are moving or migrating to...etc... all kinds of cool possiblities to aid our preservation efforts and for the club to have a more concrete and accurate picture which would in turn help them make rational decisions for the future of the club. They have all this data they're just not doing anything with it....if they hired a consultant he'd tell them the same thing! If they looked at year to year changes they could spot trends, attrition rates, percentages of surviving cars against production, which models are in danger of going extinct...etc. Looking at the data myself I found out for example that the most commonly owned model year is 1951. Representing 10% of known survivors but only .64% of the original production. With that piece of info a repro parts guy would know 1951 is a good year to make parts for. Without data, folks in the club are just guessing.

The registries seems to me vary widely in quality and are of course only as complete and accurate as members who voluntarily register their cars.... and seems not all registry keepers have poured though the roster and added cars. to their registries. I think this thing needs to get more standardized and more accurate... even cars going to the crusher as parts cars should be noted for their serial numbers at least.

Aaron D. IL

Hudson308 wrote:

'51 is the most common year in the club, huh? Man, I would've thought '49 models were. It would be fascinating to know if any members have consecutively serialized cars, alluding to being next on the assembly line.

I think there was someone who once posted on the board that they had a car with a consecutive serial number to someone else's. Gus Souza once gave me the opinion that Hudson just assigned numbers at random. ......... and Nope, 1949 is up there though. 7.72% of all surviving cars in the club are 1949's but only 0.31% of the production of that year survive (in the club). There are 443 1949's in the HET club.

The roster has a total of 5,741 surviving Hudsons.

Now here's the interesting number. 1948 model year. Only 120 in the club! only .08% of the original 1948 production. Yet.. 1948 was the third highest production year during the Step-down era. I suspect there's a lot of 1948's either outside the club or not reported.... I corrected a lot of cars in the roster via their serial numbers but that's still surprisingly low. In fact.... of the top ten most-owned model years out of the surviving cars.. 1948 Doesn't even make the top 10!!! Either the scrapping rate was really high (at an annual average of 2,412 cars scrapped per year but the relationship is likely on a curve) OR there's a lot more 1948's out there in circulation outside of HET.

Aaron D. IL

Just to illustrate the last post. Here's the TOP 14 most-owned cars amongst members in the HET Club according to the roster.



RANK / Model year



1 1951

2 1954

3 1953

4 1947

5 1949

6 1952

7 1950

8 1946

9 1937

10 1929 (the year Hudson ranked 3rd in the auto industry)



11 1935

12 1941

13 1948 (see there's even more pre-war cars than '48's in HET)

14 1936

bull_islander

Aaron- Are those numbers from the latest roster? Has anyone kept lists that incorporate cars that have disappeared from the club (i.e. serial # 481107655 last known owned by Joe Smith, CA, 1976)? Just curious...