Convertible window switches
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lottery numbers? Sure 49-57-9-15-37-29. On conv switches the parts manual says that 1948 -1953 switches were Tan or Gray and the 1954 switches were Chrome.0
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OK, I'll play those numbers. If they hit, we'll go shopping for Hudsons.
Makes sense that the 54 restyle included a new switch design. 0 -
Ryan-
Wow! What a great thread. Sorry I missed out on the majority of it. Vicki and I just got back from CA on vacation. Amazing what you miss in a week on the forum, it'll take me hours to get through it.
Looks like you've got your questions answered all ready, but I'll still chime in what I know. LOL. INVESTIGATIVE AUTOMOMANIA is one of my favorite aspects of the old car hobby.
'53 was a very transitional year for Hudson. Many corners were starting to get cut, due to the inevitable coming year. Many times lesser quality parts were incorporated on the '53's that you just don't find in earlier years. Knowing that and seeing your pictures, I don't think that's what happened with your front switches. The original switches have copper contacts for elec. connections and, over time and with moisture mixed in, will tarnish and stop making contact. They are also very brittle, with the internal boxes being made of bakelite. Also, the housing itself (the plastic part that shows) can become very brittle over time. Your front driver switch probably either stopped working or was broken and replaced with a '54 model. Probably the pass. door was replaced as well so that the "front" area of the car would match.
Where did I get my switches? I had one four-plex and 5 individual switches. My four-plex was broken towards the end and I took one of the singles and mated it to the four-plex. Then I re-built the internals and turned new knobs. Old knobs that are severely cracked, can be filled with epoxy and then sanded smooth on the lathe or in a drill. Then they can be painted-- they'll look like brand new.
Can you find replacements? I occasionally see them on e-bay (the four-plex's) for around $1000.00 for an ugly one. I'm sure you could use your contacts and hunt around for one. I think I have an extra single switch-- those are easier to find. Packards, among other makes used the same switch as has been mentioned here in this thread.
Damn, you're right-- this is fun.0 -
russmaas wrote:I believe this to be a correct 53 convert door panel
Russ
Well, this thread has me a little confused at the moment. Look back at Ryan's door panel to the '53. Compare the piece of curved stainless trim that goes from the upper hinge area, curves underneath the ash tray and then points down towards the lower right. The picture above has the straight piece across the bottom of the door.
My question relates more to the '52, actually. Does anyone have a picture of an original '52 convertible door panel? It seems as though I've seen half a dozen different styles. Hudzilla has told me in the past that '52 was somewhat "unique" amongst the stepdowns as far as trim was concerned.
Which year does that curve piece really belong? I've seen it on '52's and 53's?0 -
RL Chilton wrote:Well, this thread has me a little confused at the moment. Look back at Ryan's door panel to the '53. Compare the piece of curved stainless trim that goes from the upper hinge area, curves underneath the ash tray and then points down towards the lower right. The picture above has the straight piece across the bottom of the door.
My question relates more to the '52, actually. Does anyone have a picture of an original '52 convertible door panel? It seems as though I've seen half a dozen different styles. Hudzilla has told me in the past that '52 was somewhat "unique" amongst the stepdowns as far as trim was concerned.
Which year does that curve piece really belong? I've seen it on '52's and 53's?
The 52's had the curved trim you describe above, and the 53's used the two straight trim pieces - one at top and one at bottom. The 52's had the smaller screw-on arm rest, while the 53's used the "molded" looking arm rest as part of the interior door trim
Jerry
53jetman0 -
53jetman wrote:The 52's had the curved trim you describe above, and the 53's used the two straight trim pieces - one at top and one at bottom. The 52's had the smaller screw-on arm rest, while the 53's used the "molded" looking arm rest as part of the interior door trim
Jerry
53jetman
Not good news. Now finding that trim is going to be a challenge.
Ryan-
are you going to -re-use the trim for the '53 if it is not original? If not, let me know.0 -
RL Chilton wrote:Not good news. Now finding that trim is going to be a challenge.
Ryan-
are you going to -re-use the trim for the '53 if it is not original? If not, let me know.
Russell, as mentined in a private email to you, the trim pieces you need are now yours, no charge.
If they're not factory issue for a '53 Convertible, they're surplus to me, and I know they'll be put to good use to keep your '52 convertible correct.
I can't think of a better home for them !
Ryan (silverone)0 -
Russell
The trim on the door panel for a Hudson is determined by the model and the trim package ordered. The 1952 Hudson Brochure is on line and it shows the differences. The Commodore series shows the trim shown on Silverone's door panel. Is that correct? The answer is if the owner ordered the trim package for that convertible-Commodore or not... the trim is correct. See the following picture.
http://www.oldcarmanualproject.com/brochures/Hudson/1952/index.htm0 -
You can also try HYDRO-E-LECTRIC, and speak to Dan at (800) 343-4261.
They are very helpful and have a large stock, and good prices.They are located in Punta Gorda , FL 33982. E-Mail: hydroel@aol.com0 -
I didn't think that Hydro-electric dealt with 50's era window or seat switches.0
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Nevada Hudson wrote:You can also try HYDRO-E-LECTRIC, and speak to Dan at (800) 343-4261.
They are very helpful and have a large stock, and good prices.They are located in Punta Gorda , FL 33982. E-Mail: hydroel@aol.com
In this game, one can leave no stone unturned !!
I've sent them an email, and we'll see what develops. I'll be dealing with them anyway for sure with the top pump.
Ryan0 -
Russell
The trim on the door panel for a Hudson is determined by the model and the trim package ordered. The 1952 Hudson Brochure is on line and it shows the differences. The Commodore series shows the trim shown on Silverone's door panel. Is that correct? The answer is if the owner ordered the trim package for that convertible-Commodore or not... the trim is correct. See the following picture./QUOTE]
The trim shown above is correct for a 1952 Hornet & Commodore. Silverone's convertable is a 1953
Jerry
53jetman0 -
Dave53-7C wrote:I didn't think that Hydro-electric dealt with 50's era window or seat switches.
They are repairing my Hudson window switch now.0 -
Nevada Hudson wrote:You can also try HYDRO-E-LECTRIC, and speak to Dan at (800) 343-4261.
They are very helpful and have a large stock, and good prices.They are located in Punta Gorda , FL 33982. E-Mail: hydroel@aol.com
Well, thanks to you, Nevada, I've now located and purchased the switches I need. (see pictures) ---- but, no backing plates, so here we go again !!
Anyone know where I can find backing plates, for both the four gang, and the single switches ?
I guess I could always have a set made if I had a good example for a pattern.
We'll see what was meant to be !!
Many thanks to all who've taken the time to help me out here. You can bet your boots its sincerely appreciated !!
Ryan.0 -
Were did you find some?0
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Try allcads.com They are repairing power window switches for early 50's Cadillacs. Shot in the dark!
Web Site:
https://www.storesonlinepro.com/store/1361172/home0 -
Ryan-
I posted my last post in the wrong thread. Regardless, good news and bad news. I could only find an extra four-plex backing plate, but it's rusted and needs to be re-plated. Couldn't find any singles, but the four-plex is the harder of the two to find. Sorry. I remembered after my last post that I only had 3 single backing plates, but five single switches. Let me know if you want it.
For that matter, it could be used as a pattern and have some made from stainless. If you do that, I would be a future customer, I'm sure.0 -
By the way, good quick find on the switches, they're beautiful.0
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RL Chilton wrote:Ryan-
I posted my last post in the wrong thread. Regardless, good news and bad news. I could only find an extra four-plex backing plate, but it's rusted and needs to be re-plated. Couldn't find any singles, but the four-plex is the harder of the two to find. Sorry. I remembered after my last post that I only had 3 single backing plates, but five single switches. Let me know if you want it.
For that matter, it could be used as a pattern and have some made from stainless. If you do that, I would be a future customer, I'm sure.
You bet I want it Russell, and your idea of re-making it in stainless is a heck of a good one !! I assume then that the original finish was chrome ?
The reason I ask is that they look kind of black in the pictures, but maybe its just the photo. Either way, it'll be the pattern that gets used to make new ones if need be, or restored if it can be.
Thanks for this --- I didn't expect to find one this quick !!
Amazing tool, this internet.
Ryan.
( as I write this, --- I'm thinking --- I wonder if the "wrong" switches in my car have the "right" backing plates ) Maybe the guy that "switched the switches", just "switched the switch" and not the backing plate ? (won't be long before we've invented a whole new tongue twister here!) :-)
Gotta check this one out now.
By golly -- this IS fun !!
Ryan0 -
I'm unfamiliar with the '54's, but yes, check it out and let us know. I believe they are different, however.0
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silverone wrote:You bet I want it Russell, and your idea of re-making it in stainless is a heck of a good one !! I assume then that the original finish was chrome ?
The reason I ask is that they look kind of black in the pictures, but maybe its just the photo. Either way, it'll be the pattern that gets used to make new ones if need be, or restored if it can be.
Thanks for this --- I didn't expect to find one this quick !!
Amazing tool, this internet.
Ryan.
( as I write this, --- I'm thinking --- I wonder if the "wrong" switches in my car have the "right" backing plates ) Maybe the guy that "switched the switches", just "switched the switch" and not the backing plate ? (won't be long before we've invented a whole new tongue twister here!) :-)
Gotta check this one out now.
By golly -- this IS fun !!
Ryan
Nope, they're different. I guess I could have figured out that by looking at the picture I posted of my own car's driver door switches.
So --- here's where I'm at with this. I have four correct switches now, (although one single is pretty weathered), two single correct backing plates, and one correct four switch backing plate ( thanks to Russell) that needs some refurbishing.
That means I'll still need one single backing plate, and all the chrome upholstery trim for two '53 coupe or convertible doors, since mine have turned out to be '52's, and I've given them away to Russell anyway.
As a side development, it appears that the '54 door upholstery, other than the switches, is virtually identical to the '53 ! Thusly I can use them if need be for patterns to reproduce the upholstery, but of course will still need the chrome strips. Armrest forms can probably come from a sedan I have here as a parts car, so no big deal there.
Anyone know where I can get some old door panels from a '53 coupe or convert ? ( Maybe Hollywood too but I don't know if they're the same )
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silverone wrote:Well, thanks to you, Nevada, I've now located and purchased the switches I need. (see pictures) ---- but, no backing plates, so here we go again !!
Anyone know where I can find backing plates, for both the four gang, and the single switches ?
I guess I could always have a set made if I had a good example for a pattern.
We'll see what was meant to be !!
Many thanks to all who've taken the time to help me out here. You can bet your boots its sincerely appreciated !!
Ryan.
Are those used switches or repops?0 -
rambos_ride wrote:Are those used switches or repops?
They're NOS, Dan.0 -
Got to be re-furbished, don't know of anyone making re-pops.0
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Somebody who needs a four way switch for their conv should jump at this.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1948-1949-1950-Packard-Hudson-4-gang-window-switch_W0QQitemZ350098851791QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item350098851791&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A10%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m2450
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