coupe vs coach?

Unknown

2 cars in similar condition. for arguments sake, lets call them the same condition. which car is worth more? same year. same engine. my 31 essex rumbleseat coupe compared to a 2 dr coach/sedan. which is more rare?

Jon B

The coupes tend to be rarer and bring more money. The coaches are essentially 4-door bodies, with two doors (longer than the front doors on a 4-door). In some years, they have a fast-back look and are nicely styled. In other years, their styling is kind of chunky.

oldhudsons

I agree with Jon; "sex appeal" is always a factor in old car desirability + original price & a rumble seat cp. has a lot more appeal than a staid coach (which was usually Hudson's cheapest body style, depending on the year).

Sidemount equipped cars always are worth more than ones with the spare hanging off the rear end even tho less practical - they were an expensive extra but sure made the cars look "cleaner".

Aaron D. IL

Coaches/broughams/2 door sedans/ were popular with family with little kids who they did not want to go flying out the back doors. But I suppose a Coupe could accomplish the same thing.

Unknown

I have a 4 door 29 Hudson standard and have ridden in Perry Springs very nice 29 Hudson rumble seat coupe. I have ridden in a long wheel base very fancy B&S with the landau bars that I would love to have. I do like the BIG LONG 20s and 30s cars with the wire wheel dual sides with all the bells & whistes like the limos etc. I kick myself for not buying the 29 Hudson long wheel base B&S landau from Pete Bozz many years ago. I think someone in Ohio owns that car now.

Unknown

im looking at this 31 coach on ebay right now thinking how much more id like to have a coach than my coupe. condition sounds pretty close to my car but mine runs and drives. not perfectly but it does. interior looks cleaner on mine too. i doubt i could make something happen with that car as its up tomorrow and who knows what the reserve is, but i sure do like it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Essex-1931-Essex-2-door-6-cyl-Rare-Exceptional-Car-Hudson_W0QQitemZ280315304865QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item280315304865&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A317%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

oldhudsons

It would appear to have a pretty nice original mohair interior. Nice trunk.

A seized engine means at least re-ringing it, but it also may require replacing the pistons, even reboring depending on taper SO I'd sure keep in mind that altho you might not want nor need to put any $ into the appearance of the car you might run into some serious bucks to get it running properly.

Has the original vacuum tank & distributor with anti-theft armored cable; looks like it may have a top oiler up there by the vac. tank.

Unknown

I have a 28 Essex 4 dr sedan, I have always liked the 4 suicide door look on any make. But I think whether it is a sedan, coupe, limo or whatever model we who are lucky enough to own one have something rare. Especially Hudson/ Essex as I have found since I got mine about six months ago how many people have never heard of an Essex or Hudson. and those who have heard or seen one of the 20 / 30's are thrilled to see them and have great memories. Most comments I get is "we see Fords and GM's but never seen an Essex where was it made?"



Wayne

28 Essex:D

Unknown

i actually bought my essex in similar condition. the engine was pretty much in boxes. i bought it to build a hot rod. well not too radical but from the day i looked at it, an engine swap was in mind. anything that had bolts, the guy broke them trying to take it apart. i lost hope in all the parts being there. i spent a week after work welding nuts on broken bolts removing them. i decided to give it a shot getting the car running since to my surprise it looked like i had all the parts. i had the clutch relined, put the new tires on that came with the car, made a new head pipe and put on a glasspack. engine could use an overhall. it likes oil. if i bought that car id have no intentions of keeping it original. just like my coupe. i really like the construction of the essex and i do want to rod one. really a drivetrain swap and brake upgrade. nothing radical. i want it to be more driver friendly and reliable, with more power. i have the drivetrain im going to use. either on my coupe or a sedan if i find one. i have been ridiculed for wanting to modify my car, but its my car and i already own it. why should i buy a clapped out rotten shell to work with when i have a solid car. with that said, for the right price, anyone can buy my car and keep it original. im not trying to come off like a wise guy. i love the car the way it is, and i would feel a little guilty modifying it at all, but the bottom line it needs some upgrades. #1 is the mechanical brakes, #2 a highway friendly rear gear ratio, #3, and engine that has enough power to get on the highway and travel long distances, that parts are readily available for.

Unknown

does anyone know what the 31 Essex coach end up going for on ebay???

Unknown

It says bidding has ended and reserve not met, No Sale.

Unknown

yeah close to 6,000 for a non running non driving coach. and it didnt even meet the reserve. it looks pretty nice, but i wonder what the seller thinks its worth. they are a dealer.

53jetman

It bid up to $ 5877.00 and was a no sale - did not meet reserve.



Jerry

53jetman

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A coupe will always bring more money than a sedan, Brougham, or any four-door. Ragtops, of course, bring the most.

Jon B

If the car interests you, you might want to drop the seller an e-mail stating that you're interested but couldn't go higher than $____ (fill in the blank). It's a long shot, but if he's in a hurry to sell, or if a potential deal falls through, he might just take your offer or meet you at a mutually-agreeable price.

oldhudsons

66 - not always, esp. with the late 20's long w.b. sedans, some of which are accepted by CCCA as true classic cars. For instance a '29 club sedan on the 139" w.b. with it's padded top & landau bars would be worth many times more than a coupe in comparable condition.

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I should have qualified that as post - 1930 cars. The early cars have their own thing going, and since you really have to want one of those to buy it, they really are in their own category.

RL Chilton

Yes, post 1930, for the most part. Think of 2-door Auburn boattail speedsters, for example.



Ironically, it's amusing to remember that convertibles (and roadsters, in particular) in the first quarter of the 20th century were actually the lowest priced cars when new. Less parts, less time to assemble = less money.

Aaron D. IL

They weren't "convertibles" back then. Simply touring cars. And they were the rule not the exception. Like a chassis with a tent on it. haha

RL Chilton

Aaron D. IL wrote:

They weren't "convertibles" back then. Simply touring cars. And they were the rule not the exception. Like a chassis with a tent on it. haha

Actually, they were most often referred to as "cabriolets". Roadsters and Phaetons were more like "tent on top of the chassis", as they had no roll-down windows.

Unknown

53jetman wrote:

It bid up to $ 5877.00 and was a no sale - did not meet reserve.



Jerry

53jetman

So what do you think that 31 is worth? The body is nice, but what would take to put the engine right?, if you could get all the parts to fix it? I was looking maybe to buy the car.



Jeff

7XPacemaker

Personally, I think that he was a fool for not taking the $5877 considering the engine is an unknown. Geoff needs to get involved in this thread, as he is the guru for the early model cars.

Unknown

i like the car, but not running i think its a 4-5,000$ car. if its as nice as it looks. pictures usually make cars look better. if you like it, i say call the guy and make him an offer. if you really want it and need parts... i know someone that has a spare essex engine and trans. if you needed something. maybe 2 of each... stuff isnt for sale but if it meant making a car like that get out on the road again, i guess it could be. these cars are built really well compared to most other makes of the time, if you bought it, youd be happy.

essexcoupe3131

Hey all, the 31s are so unique and rare and I know what its like to trying to find hens teeth, my belief is that the boat tails would be the most desirable then the Deluxe coupes, coupes and last of all the sedans 2 doors 1st then 4 doors, Iam going to post some pics of the old girl the day I picked it up and brought it home 24 years ago and then the lastest 1 the the new feet fitted it looks so cool, I know it shouldn't be on this side but thats were I have always been

Mike