Pacemaker vs. Hornet Help

Unknown

Hi i was wondering if anyone could tell me the differences between a Hornet and a Pacemaker as they look basically the same to me, I prefer the Hornets but I was wondering what really makes them different and which in your opinion is better? (the year in question is 1951 for both models) Thanks!

[Deleted User]

In a nut shell, the Hornet was the top of the line performance and trim offering with 308 CU inch engine. The Commodore was the luxury version with 262 engine. Pacemaker was less expensive because of the lower trim level, it was shorter in length and 262 CU inches. In 52, the Pacemaker name was dropped and became known as the Wasp or Super Wasp (depending on the trim level ordered).

Unknown

thanks, so i guess besides for the length as you mentioned that they do basically look the same on the outside unless you know what you're lookin for

MikeWA

The Pacemaker is 4 inches shorter than the Hornet and Commodore, and that 4 inches is between the back of the front wheel well and the front of the front door. Some think the short wheelbase cars are better proportioned than the LWB, and especially in the '54 hardtops (Hornet Hollywood vs. Wasp Hollywood), I tend to agree.



Pace was a lighter, less expensive car, and trim level is less than the other models. There wasn't nearly as much difference in price between baseline and luxury models then as there is now.

esfoder

Wheelbase on the Wasp is shorter.Engine in the Hornet is a 308 Wasp is a 262. And some trim. I like them both the same so which is better thats for you to decide.



Good luck



Dusty

Unknown

I also forgot to ask, does anyone know if the 51 pacemaker came with twin h power or at least two carbs in general? (sorry if I seem stupid but I am)

Unknown

No 51s Came With Twin H. It Was Not Offered Until Mid 52, Bill Albright

Unknown

The 51 pacemaker had the 232 CI engine. Did not have Twin H. Had a single barrel carb. Smaller tail lights and lots less trim than the Hornet. They are a good driveing and running car if in good condition.

hudsontech

Nightmare365WJ wrote:

I also forgot to ask, does anyone know if the 51 pacemaker came with twin h power or at least two carbs in general? (sorry if I seem stupid but I am)

Twin-H was offered, at least in 1953, as an option on Model 4C (Wasp Deluxe with 232 engine) and 5C (Wasp Super 6 with 262 engine).

From dealer letter DL.53-1, Prices & Options "C" Series.



If you could find a setup for the 1953 Model 4C, then it probably would fit the 1951 232 engine.

nick s

Ken U-Tx wrote:

You will find that using the '54-56 double groove pulley on a SWB car makes it necessary to use an electric fan as the stock engine fan will not have room to clear the radiator on a SWB car with the double groove pulley.

Ken, if that's true, what's different on a 54 Super wasp w/ power steering that lets it work. with such a grand supply of SWB power steering set-ups available I doubt the problem has been encountered by many (not that the long wheelbase parts are that much easier to find).

mars55

To help see the differences between different Hudson models checkout this 1951 Brochure.



http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main.php?g2_itemId=52051

RL Chilton

mars55 wrote:

To help see the differences between different Hudson models checkout this 1951 Brochure.



http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main.php?g2_itemId=52051

Two interesting things to note about the brochures:



1) Hollywood model is not mentioned. HLWYDs came out in April, 1951. I'm sure these brochures were prepared towards the end of '50. My GUESS is there was a supplement brochure that covered the HLWYDs.



2) Artwork doesn't differentiate between the LWB & SWB's. Common practice with the rendering artists of the time was to take a lot of liberties with the depiction of automobiles. Notice the header on the convertibles are much shorter in appearance than reality.

Unknown

Russell,



So true about artists of the day taking liberties.



The artist's Betty.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grable1.jpg



The real Bettty.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/Betty-boop-opening-title.jpg

RL Chilton

Ah, the "doctored" photo of Betty Grable . . . not my favorite.



Did you notice that Betty Boop was " . . . assisted by Bimbo and Koko."?



I think I dated those chicks in a past life. As a matter of fact, I'm sure my first wife was Bimbo.

Unknown

I bet there are a few WWII guys that might disagree.



Yes, it was said that Ms. Boop often needed assistance.



Umm, err, not sure if Bimbo and Koko were chicks...at least back then. :eek: Then again, I've heard that lots of guys were married to "a Bimbo," so, who knows.