Visor just came in

Kdancy
Kdancy Senior Contributor
edited November -1 in HUDSON
Now for the brackets!
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  • lsfirth
    lsfirth Expert Adviser
    I always thought the visors look great on the vintage hudsons....did they come as on option from the factory, or was it a dealer installed option? Is there a particular brand and model to keep an eye out for that would fit a step-down and look the best?

    Great looking visor you got.....wow...no rust or dents or anything....I'm jealous!!!

    Thanks for the pics!

    Lee
  • Kdancy
    Kdancy Senior Contributor
    lsfirth wrote:
    I always thought the visors look great on the vintage hudsons....did they come as on option from the factory, or was it a dealer installed option? Is there a particular brand and model to keep an eye out for that would fit a step-down and look the best?
    Great looking visor you got.....wow...no rust or dents or anything....I'm jealous!!!
    Thanks for the pics!
    Lee

    Lee, someone more knowledgeable than me needs to answer your questions. I assume they were options for dealer install. I had one on my 49 Commodore coupe and wanted this one for the 53 super wasp coupe. Yes, these are in great shape, too bad they didn't have the brackets!
  • bent metal
    bent metal Senior Contributor
    Uh-oh! This visor is nothing like anything I've ever seen. It is going to look like all the rest when installed. But the back edge, center trim, and center support underneath are all different from the classic "Karvisor" that I'm used to seeing. I don't know if my brackets will work. The outside pieces look like they would be ok? But the center pieces don't look compatable at all.

    Very interesting. Is it steel or aluminum? Any name on it anywhere?
  • Kdancy
    Kdancy Senior Contributor
    Aluminum and I can't find a name.
    Maybe I need to send it to you for bracket construction?
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Those outside brackets do not look like the ones I have. They should clamp to the drip rail, and those look a little short. Im sure it can probably fit with the right brackets. The outer ones are not that hard to fabricate but the center has to clamp between two plates under the visor then it goes down to the center post of the windshield. That is as much as I remember, I can take some pictures of my outer brackets and also the top of the center bracket I do not have the arms that go from the visor to the windshield.
    If you want some pictures I will be happy to post them Tomorrow night.
    Bob Hickson
  • bent metal
    bent metal Senior Contributor
    You know? ...It looks like a Hudson visor as it sits. But I would like to see it bolted together and held up in proper position. Just to make sure it follows the roof line and looks about right before you invest much more into it.

    Only because I've never seen one like this. It is possible it's not Hudson, but something similar? Maybe? Hmmm, it sure looks Hudson, obviously mass produced (not a one off), very unusual.

    Just when I think I've seen all the step down visors, this comes up. :)
    Very cool.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    One problem I see is the lack of the indentation in the center for the radio antenna. I have never seen a stepdown visor without it, but then again there are a lot of things out there that I haven't seen.
    Bob Hickson
  • Kdancy
    Kdancy Senior Contributor
    edited July 2011
    Crapola--- It ain't a stepdown visor-- but what for? Maybe pre-stepdown?
  • bent metal
    bent metal Senior Contributor
    My guess, just a guess, early fifties Chevy.
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    Yep, not a step-down visor. Most popular visor were the Fultons. Had the indent for the antennas, different bracket set-up, as mentioned, mounted onto the drip rail. Also, no decorative edge on the back edge of visor.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    Maybe a Kaiser, or pre merger Nash. There are so many possiblities, it's hard to say
    Bob Hickson
  • Kdancy
    Kdancy Senior Contributor
    BJ__TN wrote:
    Maybe a Kaiser, or pre merger Nash. There are so many possiblities, it's hard to say
    Bob Hickson

    Received this from a Visor expert-
    Looks like an oddball brand to me & missing the center mounts
    53" wide would allow it to fit the 1949-1952 Chevy & Pontiac sedans.
    May even fit the 1949-1951 Mopar sedans
  • bent metal
    bent metal Senior Contributor
    That sounds right to me too. Early fifties Chevy. It looks like the outside brackets sandwich the drip rail? Is that right? The visor on the inside of the drip rail and the trim bracket on the outside and under the drip rail?
  • lsfirth
    lsfirth Expert Adviser
    Did we every completely ID this visor?

    If I was to look for an "origianl visor" for my 49, what would I look for. Were the Hudson visors unique from all other makes regarding shape and the relief for the antenna? Did Hudson use a name brand like Fulton that would help me idendify one that would fit? Pictures of the parts that are unique to Hudsons would be great since I'm really not sure what I'm looking for. With swap meet season upon us, I want to be prepaired :-)

    Thanks,
    Lee
  • lsfirth
    lsfirth Expert Adviser
    edited March 2012
    This one was called a fulton....does this look right for a Hudson? Did fulton produce "make specific" visors, or all they all the same?

    Thanks,
    Lee
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    Lee-

    That's definitely not a Hudson. My visor is apart, prepped and ready for paint. I'm going to go out right now and get pics of all the parts and post them here.

    Stay tuned . . .
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    edited March 2012
    Hi Lee

    On my 52 Hornet the antenna will not rotate below the visor. It stays up except when I put the car cover on. With the antenna rotated 90 degrees it will lie half way betwwen the front edge and rear edge of the visor because of the curve of the roof line. Because the car cover pushes down on the antenna I put a folded dust cloth between antenna and visor to prevent chaffing the visors paint. Learned that the hard way. Thats ok I like the antenna sticking up anyway. It keeps me from playing with it like I did with my Dads 51 Hornet antenna as an 8 year old. LOL

    Have a good day
    Lee O'Dell
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    edited March 2012















    O.k. Pictures show a visor apart and all of it's components. Others follow that show an identical visor together and installed on a step-down.
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member






  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    edited March 2012
    These photos should show you what you are looking for when shopping for a step-down visor.

    Some interesting points to note:

    1. Notice on the unpainted visor on the outer ends there is a hole and a slot. The slot allows you to adjust the angle of the visor once attached to the drip edge (1st picture).
    2. Notice that the end pieces actually bolt (press against) to the drip edge of the car.
    3. Notice the "indent" for the roof antenna in the visor and the stainless center piece that goes down the middle of the visor.
    4. Lee is right, the antenna does not "fold down" onto the antenna rest when you have a visor attached. You simply lay it at 90-degrees to add a car cover.


    Lastly, I need y'all's help. I am fixin' to paint the unpainted visor for the convertible. If you look closely at the pictures of my visor on the sedan, it is a "putrid puke green" as it has been called lately. What this is, is the green primer that was so prevalent in the '50's. I have been told on numerous occasions that when the dealer installed these on a customer's car, they were covered in the green primer. The outside got painted to match the car, but the insides were always green.

    My question is, is this true?

    When some folks recently found out I was preparing to paint the inside of my visor "putrid puke green", they about had a cow. (As a restorer's note, I mixed up some paint that is identical to the original green primer and was planning on using paint, as the primer is no longer available).

    I sent a PM to Jerry asking him to confirm this, but I haven't heard back. I'm sure Pete or some of you other long-timers could answer my question.

    Thanks!

    Russell
  • lsfirth
    lsfirth Expert Adviser
    edited March 2012
    Awesome!! Thanks for the pictures Russell....that provides a pretty clear picture of what I'm looking for! I very much appreciate your effort. Do you know if I find one at a swapmeet, could it have all the same features and still not fit a Hudson....or if it had all the same hardware, would it definitely be for a Hudson? I suppose the notch for the antenna would be a dead giveaway!!

    Lee- thanks for the info about the car cover. I'm a long ways from having that issue come up :-) but definitely good to know.

    Your rigs look great....I'll get there someday!

    Thanks,
    Lee

    PS...our '52 airstream has that same green paint on the inside :-)
  • RonS
    RonS Senior Contributor
    Russ, correct on the primer green< kind of a forest or ivy green color.Mine is a shade or two darker then your picture. The visor was Karvisor Hudson part #HA233456 ( on the 7C ). Came in a box with the Hudson logos etc. Warning on the antenna... Fasten some leather, or other suitable material, on the visor next to the area by the antenna mount. It is easy to have the antenna touch the visor at speeds and crosswinds. This will cause a crackling noise through the speaker while the radio plays. Drove me nuts for a few months, since the radio was just rebuilt and the noise was never consistant. Ron
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    edited March 2012
    Thanks for looking into the vents factory color Russell. I've heard the underside were painted green primer but do not know if all were like that. Mine is green primer also. Haveing riden in a car with the underside painted the glossy car color there was a noticable reflection (depending on the suns angle shining on the car) reflecting off the vents underside into the eyes. That may be a reason for leaving them in primer? It would be interesting to know if green primer was the only factory color for the underside.

    Let us know what you find out please.
    Lee O'Dell
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    Ron-

    Thanks for the tip. I've seen a picture of an original box. I think Ken Cates had a picture of one.

    Lee-

    These were specifically made for the Hudson step-downs. You can tell because of the indent for the antenna clearance. Yes, there are others that will work, with little to a lot of work. But be careful, not all visors look "right" when mounted. Some cars, even with the right visor, was never very attractive. Look at the visor on the following convertible. It's not made for a step-down, and looks heavy and out of place. The right visor, properly mounted, can have the look of being part of the car and not something that got bolted on.


  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    edited March 2012
    [quote I've seen a picture of an original box. I think Ken Cates had a picture of one.
    quote]

    Russell: You are correct, I have attached pictures of a NOS visor kit. The bottom side of the visor should be painted "puke green". As pointed out a dull surface is desireable as it prevents glare being reflected though the windshields.

    One thing not discussed, there are two (2) different visor brackets which fasten to the visor and then to the drip rail of the car. The shorter version is meant for cars without stainless trim on the A pillar. The longer versions are for cars (52-53) with stainless trim on the A pillar. The short brackets can be modified to fit the trimmed vehicles. Using the short bracket on a car with A pillar trim usually results in the clamping edge being stretched and the visor not maintaining proper positioning and in the worst case, coming off the car while driving.

    If memory serves me, Bent Metal was involved in reproducing the Hudson visor at sometime in the past. Possibly they are still available from him?

    Enjoy... Ken
  • Huddy42
    Huddy42 Senior Contributor
    For what it's worth, all visors here in Australia were painted the green primer underside, this is to stop reflection from the hood , chrome etc, I had one made recently for a modern car and it was painted green underside.
    Les.P.
  • Lee ODell
    Lee ODell Senior Contributor
    edited March 2012
    I didn't know if my visor was made of steel or aluminum. Went to check with a magnet. It is aluminum. That triggered my memory back 40 years ago when I was painting air planes. Aluminum required a primer specific for aluminum to prevent oxidation (called rust on steel). If I remember correctly the pprimer was called green oxided primer, a peutrid green color. I would think that is why the visors came green. Aluminum tends to corrode more around brackets and holes. We also, painted the rivets & brackets with the same primer. Might consider painting anything that comes in contact with the aluminum visor with the same primer. Checking at an air port repair hanger would be a good place to find out todays current primer for use on aluminum. The FAA is very specific what can and can't be used on air craft.

    Lee O'Dell
  • RL Chilton
    RL Chilton Administrator, Member
    This is all good info! Thanks Ken for posting those. I forgot about the different bracket-depths. That's a good point.

    That's good stuff, Lee. Thanks for posting this.
  • Richie
    Richie Senior Contributor
    There is a stepdown visor just listed on ebay, starting bid of $50.00
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    I'm looking for visor that would fit a 54 step-down hornet ,any leads.
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