Overdrive
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who was the manufacturer of the hudson overdrive transmission ? was it hudson ? im curious if another orphan car overdrive section may have the same internal parts as the hudson's. and on the same note, does anyone have (don't laught ) NEW parts for any of the hudson 3 speeds / overdrives ?
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Dave
The overdrives in the Hudson Stepdowns were provided by BorgWarner. The Transmission is essentially a T-86 and the overdrive an R-10 which was installed in many differnent vehicles. Up until the 70's all the overdrive units were made by borg-warner and there were only 2 basic models. there were tons of different housings to make them work on different trannies, but still only 2 internal designs.
Overhaul kits and transmission hard parts are available new. The last transmission I went through I bought a small parts and gasket set and replaced all items new. Syncos and gears are available but take a bit longer to find. If you watch eBay you will find Hudson transmission parts are posted quite often.
FYI information sources
http://www.hydratech.com/pctc/Public_Documents/bwwiring.pdf
http://www.stormpay.com/stormpay/user/user_auctions.php?l=133002650&r=P3Y9bCZjPTEz
http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1289
Search the INTERNET using "T-86 Transmission" or "R-10 Borg Warner Overdrive" to find current information about these transmissions and overdrives
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Weren't the two shift lever transmissions the T-86s and the single shift lever transmissions were manufactured by Hudson?0
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I have some NOS overdrive parts, need to know exactly what you are looking for.
Les P. Down Under.davidh wrote:who was the manufacturer of the hudson overdrive transmission ? was it hudson ? im curious if another orphan car overdrive section may have the same internal parts as the hudson's. and on the same note, does anyone have (don't laught ) NEW parts for any of the hudson 3 speeds / overdrives ?0 -
Do you have an overdrive that would fit a 37 Hudson? I believe its a 1940 unit?0
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Being one-year-only (overdrive came to Hudson in 1940; in 1941 significant modifications were made), this is hard to find. Instead of waiting, you have a couple choices:
1. Install a 1941 or newer overdrive (much easier to find) and convert to column shift. Handi-shift conversions fitting back to 1937 were actually offered by Hudson about 1939 or 1940, so this is semi-authenic. You will have to remove the governor from the OD because it won't clear the X-frame, but you can put a switch on the dash to control this. Shortening of drive shaft is required but is not a big deal.
2. Fit a 3 5/9 rear end gear to the car, which will help you attain highway speeds. This gearset is being made by Pat McDonald of England and should bolt right in with little trouble. And it is authentic because Hudson offered it as a 'service' (dealer-installed) item in 1937.
3. Replace rear axle with a more modern one having a better highway ratio. Mustang, MoPar and even Step-Down rears (from Hydramatic-equipped cars) can be made to work, and you can always remove the rear axle and replace with the original, to keep the car authentic.0 -
John B,
If I understand you properly, you have to convert to column shift when installing a 1941 and later overdrive unit in a '36'Terraplane. Did the 1940 overdrive unit require to convert to column shift, or was it made for a floor shift?
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No, you can simply bolt the shift lever and its base to the top of the transmission.0
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Davidh, your best bet is to pick up a copy of MoToR's Auto Repair Manual that covers the year Hudson you need. They are relatively inexpensive on eBay; I picked up a near mint 1955 issue for only $22.00. They have a very comprehensive overdrive section showing exploded views of everything and assembly/disassembly instructions, as well as diagnostic flowcharts.
As said before, the overdrives were made by Borg-Warner; my '54 Kaiser Manhattan has Borg-Warner transmission and overdrive; also as said before, housings are different, guts are (pretty much) the same. New remanufactured or NOS parts are all over the place. Get yourself the latest copy of Hemmings Motor News.
Also join the HET club--I can't stress this enough. When you join the club that supports the marque you own, you gain access to a myriad of parts sources, restoration sources and expertise that you will otherwise never know about. You will be with a circle of people who actually give a damn about your classic Hudson and will do their best to help you restore and maintain it, rather than be stuck with the usual bunch of jerks out there who can't work on anything other than a '55-'56-'57 Chevy or a Ford Mustang.
I learned this the hard way from several bad experiences with dealing with "repair" shops whose owners/operators were not in my hobbies and therefore saw no real opportunity to make any real money off me--rather they treated me as something of a nuisance or otherwise butchered my equipment so bad in the "repair" process it wound up costing me even more in the long run. From now on, for all of my repair/restoration needs, whether it's antique outboards, vintage snowmobiles, my '54 Kaiser, or whatever-- I absolutely refuse to deal with anyone who is not a dues-paying active member of the clubs who support my hobbies.0 -
Davidh, your best bet is to pick up a copy of MoToR's Auto Repair Manual that covers the year Hudson you need. They are relatively inexpensive on eBay; I picked up a near mint 1955 issue for only $22.00. They have a very comprehensive overdrive section showing exploded views of everything and assembly/disassembly instructions, as well as diagnostic flowcharts.
As said before, the overdrives were made by Borg-Warner; my '54 Kaiser Manhattan has Borg-Warner transmission and overdrive; also as said before, housings are different, guts are (pretty much) the same. New remanufactured or NOS parts are all over the place. Get yourself the latest copy of Hemmings Motor News.
Also join the HET club--I can't stress this enough. When you join the club that supports the marque you own, you gain access to a myriad of parts sources, restoration sources and expertise that you will otherwise never know about. You will be with a circle of people who actually give a damn about your classic Hudson and will do their best to help you restore and maintain it, rather than be stuck with the usual bunch of jerks out there who can't work on anything other than a '55-'56-'57 Chevy or a Ford Mustang.
now that i have the overdrive transmission totally disassembled, and i have the complete service manual along with a competent tranny guy from the past helping, i need some sources for a couple parts. ]
countershaft bushings
reverse shaft bushing
"blocking ring" (he's not sure what it should be called but its to keep the operator from crashing gears before the syncro;s have a chance to catch up)
i have been a member of the club for over a year and following this list faithfully many times a day....
the transmission case sez " ideal transmission" in the casting. its from a 48 commodore 6. i've got the flywheel, new clutch assembly and the mounting kit assembly and after the transmission is re-assembled its time to install the whole assembly back into the restored body of the 46. can anyone out there point me in the direction of those above mentioned parts ? please ?0 -
mars55 wrote:Weren't the two shift lever transmissions the T-86s and the single shift lever transmissions were manufactured by Hudson?
No mars they were all made by Borg/Warner. You may have the rear end production confused with this. Boith single and double lever jobs.0 -
Martin, Did you say you own a 54 Kaiser? If so I am going to list a Kaiser Supercharger for Sale soon but do not want to go the EBAY Trail.
If you are intrested in it or know someone that is let me know.
(I had a Almost New 1955 Kaiser many years back and drag raced it many times until a 54 Hornet waxed me bad,sold that 55 and started Racing Hornets. Thanks Rudy.0 -
Rudy, do you still have that VS57 outfit for a Kaiser?
If so, I'd sure like to get my hat in the ring for it.
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Hudzilla wrote:No mars they were all made by Borg/Warner. You may have the rear end production confused with this. Boith single and double lever jobs.
The single lever is a Borg Warner?
You wouldn't happen to have a model number would you?
Thanks Lance
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Mark, Hudson used Borg to do transmissions from waaaaaaaay back. In fact the open facings on the transmission case were done so as to help in the cooling of the wet clutch. I can give you the number Hudson assigned to the single lever transmission but not the Borg number:( sorry Mark.0
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Hudzilla wrote:Mark, Hudson used Borg to do transmissions from waaaaaaaay back. In fact the open facings on the transmission case were done so as to help in the cooling of the wet clutch. I can give you the number Hudson assigned to the single lever transmission but not the Borg number:( sorry Mark.
This is excellent information. Preliminary inspection yielded way too many similarities for them not to be of the same origin as the 2 lever. About the only thing I've noticed different is the spline count of the 1st and reverse mainshaft and gear.
Too bad we don't have the original Borg number, that may unlock some new parts sources.
I have got to get busy on this transmission. I'm hoping by the weekend to have some real measurements and comparisons.
Mark0
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