Poll.... Hollywoods... hardtop or convertible candidate....
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jsrail wrote:Question: For those of you hot rodding a 308, do you all switch to a floor shifter? I always had a rough time trying to speed shift a 3-on-tree. Or do most of you switch to an automatic tranny?
I've got a 48, which is a single lever trans- I inquired on the board some time back about converting to floor shift (3 on the tree has just never been very exciting to me- to much like going for a ride with gramma and grampa)- result I got was, can't convert a single lever at all, and can only convert a 2 lever if no OD. Other possibilities (other than Hydramatic, of course)- adapter kit from Randy Maas to put in a Turbo 350 automatic, or adapter kit from Wilcap (site- www.wilcap.com/308350.PDF) to adapt a GM stick transmission. There was a thread about in on July 1, you may have missed it. I'll probably just stay with the status quo for awhile (at least try to get the OD fixed, so I can go 80 with the rest of the crazies out there) :cool:0 -
nick s wrote:hey PAUL i figure the black one is out, So are we cuttin the blue one or the red one? i can't believe with all the hollywood bashing that's been going on around here:( , the hashes don't even get enough respect to be picked on. oh forget the sawsall i know where i can borrow a plasma cutter:D
Wasn't there a 2-door '55 hash on ebay in the last year that someone cut the top off? Actually it looked alot better by getting rid of that Nash roofline. Don't know what effect that had on the unibody if it wasn't reinforced, but it might have possibilities.0 -
What about a '55 hardtop roof on a step-down?0
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Jay,
I can't believe it. I was brainstorming this morning and came up with a similar idea. Great minds must think alike.
Check this top out from a 52 Ford on a stepdown. I think I'll use my Photoshop program and morph this top onto a stepdown to see how it would look. Much cheaper than purchasing, cutting and welding.
Peace,
Chaz0 -
Cool Chaz! But I'd like to see it on a 49-53 step-down because of the sloped rear fender instead of the finned fender like the '54's. Did the Hollywoods have the same height side windows and windshield as the Coupes?0
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Jay,
No sooner said than done! I was quite surprised how much difference there was in height. I had to "chop" the top on the Ford to make it fit.
A little side note. My '47 Ford show car which has a 3 1/2" chopped top has the same window height as our stock stepdowns.
Ps. I used someones car for this. I don't know who they are but hope they won't mind me altering their car since it's only electronic.
Peace,
Chaz0 -
Don't look much different than a Hollywood, with the Ford roof. Maybe those years weren't meant to be hardtops. And the coupes look soooo good!!! I wonder what the sleeker, longer 51-53 Olds/Buick/Cadillac roofline would look like........0
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hudsondad,
When I have time I'll try it. Headed for a car show in the morning.
chaz0 -
hudsondad wrote:Don't look much different than a Hollywood, with the Ford roof. Maybe those years weren't meant to be hardtops. And the coupes look soooo good!!! I wonder what the sleeker, longer 51-53 Olds/Buick/Cadillac roofline would look like........
here is 1953 Oldsmobile Holiday hardtop
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dave s wrote:here is 1953 Oldsmobile Holiday hardtop
Yeah, hudsondad probably knows what that thing looks like...
I think that car has made it's rounds around here, it looks familiar.0 -
hudsondad wrote:Don't look much different than a Hollywood, with the Ford roof. Maybe those years weren't meant to be hardtops. And the coupes look soooo good!!! I wonder what the sleeker, longer 51-53 Olds/Buick/Cadillac roofline would look like........
i think you may bring too much bias to it...or maybe i do... perhaps both
yes it does look alot like a hollywood but sleeker
i think chaz' rendition did alot for it, it cut the side window height a bit and lays out the rear window to compliment the rear lines.0 -
dave s wrote:here is 1953 Oldsmobile Holiday hardtop
Now that's a good lookin' hardtop, I'll take two of them!!!!!0 -
mrsbojigger wrote:Jay,
No sooner said than done! I was quite surprised how much difference there was in height. I had to "chop" the top on the Ford to make it fit.
A little side note. My '47 Ford show car which has a 3 1/2" chopped top has the same window height as our stock stepdowns.
Are you using the Hud windsield or the Ford on this rendition? I wonder how the curve along the windshield top line compares to the Stepdown. But I like the way it looks!0 -
Yeah you're exactly right about the window height. Why get a chopped Merc when you can have a stepdown?
Best Regards,0 -
jamcoats wrote:Yeah you're exactly right about the window height. Why get a chopped Merc when you can have a stepdown?
Best Regards,
If someone wanted to trade my Coupe for a chopped '49 Merc, I'd do it a heartbeat! The hard works already done.0 -
jsrail wrote:If someone wanted to trade my Coupe for a chopped '49 Merc, I'd do it a heartbeat! The hard works already done.
Jay, not to be the one to say it, but here is a reason that a lot of the Hudson "purists" are very suspicious to hudson "rodders". The reason being that the underlying motive is they are messing around hudsons in the first place, is because of the similarity to the chopped 49 mercs, and the difference in prices.
It shows little loyalty to the car, a make that most of the "purists' have labored over, taken time to respect, and if faced with the decision, any true purist would rather walk than trade their hudson for a chopped merc.
I guess the viewpoint is, at least from a purist standpoint is that many of the rodders will come and go, the purists are here to stay, so why even invest any time in the rodders, if they really only view a hudson as a cheaper chopped mercury alternative? I mean can you blame them?
It's insulting to the purists that invest time and money to keep the hudson legacy alive, when you get a group of rodders that have a few hudsons, want to be accepted, but put little time into finding out what made hudsons great in the first place, and in reality, their dreams are really to have chopped mercurys.
How do I feel? well, for one, I would rather walk than trade my hudson for a chopped mercury, Am I upset that you would trade yours for a chopped mercury? not really. to each his own. If nothing else, with the exception of the subframe, and driveline, your at least resurrecting a hudson that otherwise was pretty much gone (from what it sounds like) and that's okay. I bet though, after you discovered the rust issues, you probably did a price comparison and had to think that maybe the extra front money for the mercury might have been a better idea, but hey, not that many people out there purists or not, have the desire or drive to tackle a tough project like yours, or even what Rambos got going on.
So, maybe, I have reached a moment of clarity, I can understand it all, and somewhat accept it. I guess my thoughts are that the rodders and purists would be able to better coexist, if the rodders would embrace the hudsons instead of secretly lusting after chopped mercurys. Be happy with what you have, not what you could not obtain due to limitations otherwise. You're stuck with us, as we are stuck with you.
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hudsonkid, I was merely speaking economics. I'd love to have a chopped car, even a chopped or hardtopped Hud! But its not in my budget, I don't have the money nor know how. So if someone would trade me a chopped Merc, assuming in similar condition to mine, it would seem an economically smart move to me. I want a nice looking sled, period. I happen to like the lines of the Hudson and the Merc. I don't have to own specifically one or the other.
My neighbor is restoring a '32 Mercedes Coupe. That car is a marvel of design work in the engine and suspension, it even has an early form of a/c, far ahead of its American counterparts. Put this was a hand built car, whereas Fords and such were mass produced cars, more like apple and oranges. It needs alot of panel and wood replacement as well. But if he wanted to trade me, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
If someone wanted to trade me for a '57 Vette, darn right I'd trade him. I've wanted one of those since I was 15 years old.
But with the values of these far cars exceeding mine, why wouldn't I want to trade? Seems to make perfect sense to me. Purists don't like it? Too bad. Obviously, I'm not a purist, or I wouldn't be rodding my car. I plan to use a mix of different make components on mine. I would do that on any rod I was building, I'm not purposefully trying to ruin all the Hudsons in the world. Nobody offered up the cash to purchase mine while they were bad mouthing me for rodding mine, so sorry, but too bad for them. I didn't see a sign that said this forum was for purists only, therefore in order to be fair, they must accept all of us here. What they say about me behind my back, I could care less. But this is a Hudson forum, and free at that, so everyone has the right to be here. It is not fair for only one group to feel they have rights to say anything to anybody and the other group just has to suck it up because they aren't the purists group. There was nothing negative said against Hudsons in my comment at all. I am not a purists, therefore, I don't believe that Hudsons are the only car I should ever own.
And given the trade was right, I'd trade the chopped Merc for a '57 Vette anyday. Should that make the Merc crowd upset, don't know and don't care. Its my money and cars. Last I checked, you were free to own whatever car you chose to here in the States.
It seems to me to boil down to one thing, civility. Purists seem to feel it only applys to other folks not them. Purists know that rodders are going to do what we do, thats why we are rodders. And while they are treated very fairly here, they feel they have the right to bad mouth everyone not exactly holding their beliefs, ergo, they get civility, but don't feel they have to return it. Yes, freespeech is here, and no one can tell them to be civil, its just the right thing to do.
hudsonkid, you understand my motives in building a car, and have been very civil since our first encounter and I appreciate that. But some others here are not and probably never will, and probably will never learn to be civil. But hope they don't expect me not to say anything about it! I am not one to be treated unfairly and take it.
Jay :-)0 -
I'M A HUDSON GUY AND HAVE COME BY IT THROUGH A DIFFERENT WAY THAN MOST I'M A 57 HUDSON LOVER AND HAVE PUT UP WITH THE GOOD OLD BOYS WHO FEEL ANY THING BUT A HUDSON STEP/down IS JUST THAT STEPPING DOWN BUT I FEEL DIFFERENTLY I ALWAYS HAVE 57S ANE HUDSONS TOO WANT ARE REALY NICE CARS
YES I OWN A STEP/down AND I'M PROWD OF IT BEING I BROUGHT IT BACK FROM THE DEAD 'BABY' IS A GREAT CAR AND I COULD HAVE WENT MANY WAYS WITH HER WHILE I SHE WAS UNDER RESTORION I WENT THE ORIGNAL ROUTE WAS IT EASY NO BUT LOOK WHAT I HAVE NOW A CAR THAT WORTH 4 TIMES WHAT I HAVE IN IT
MOST RODDERS WHO DO A HUDSON ROD WILL NEVER GET BACK THE INVESTMENT THAT THEY PUT IN THERE CARS AND THE REASON WHY IS THE PURISTS DON'T WANT A 350 DRIVE LINE I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF HUDSON RODS OVER THE YEARS MANY THE I WOULD LOVE TO OWN BUT WILL NOT BUY JUST BECAUSE THERE WAY OUT OF MY PRICE RANGE
I CAN BUILD A CAR THATS WORTH A LOT MORE MONEY IF I PICK THE RIGHT CAR TO DO CONVERTIBLES ARE WHATS GOING THROUGH THE ROOF PRICE WISE AND TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT IN ANY THING ELSE IN MY EYES IS NOT THINKING STRAIGHT
YOU SAY YOU WOULD TRADE FOR A MERC OR A VETTE AND AT THE SAME TIME COMPLANE THE HUDSON PURISIT DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO GET YOU IN THE CLUB OR TELL YOU ABOUT A HUDSON MEET JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE SAID I DON'T KNOW YOU OTHER THAN WHAT I HAVE READ IN YOUR POSTINGS BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD MAKE THE INVESTMENT IN MY TIME TRYING TO GET YOU IN THE FOLD EITHER FOR THE REASON YOU HAVE SAID YOU WILL PROBALY NOT BE HERE NEXT YEAR
YES IT'S YOUR CAR AND YOUR MONEY AND YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU LIKE WITH IT BUT YOUR ALSO TRYING TO TELL ME THAT I HAVE TO BE HAPPY WITH YOUR CHOICES AND I DON'T HAVE TO I'M OF MY OWN MIND AND AS YOU I WILL DO WHAT I WANT WITH MY CAR MY TIME AND MY MONEY
IN CLOSING YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH YOUR CAR AND YOU CAN TRADE IT OR ROD IT OR MAKE IT ORIGNAL AND I CAN'T HOLD THAT AGANST YOU
I CAN DO THE SAME YOU CAN'T HOLD THAT AGANST ME WE ARE BOTH ALLOWED OUR OWN OPINION
I'M NOT TREATING YOU UNFAIRLY JUST TREATING YOU THE WAY YOUR TREATING ME YOU SEAM TO BE A LEVEL HEADED GUY AT TIMES BUT HAVE A BIT OF A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER AND MAYBE SHOULD LOOK WITH IN FOR AN ANSWER BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE JUST WANT FROM US
THIS IS THE LONGEST POST I THINK I HAVE EVER MADE HOPING TO HAVE MADE YOU SEE THE OTHER SIDE
AS ALWAYS
HUDSONLY
PAUL SCHUSTER
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PAULARGETYPE wrote:YOU SAY YOU WOULD TRADE FOR A MERC OR A VETTE AND AT THE SAME TIME COMPLANE THE HUDSON PURISIT DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO GET YOU IN THE CLUB OR TELL YOU ABOUT A HUDSON MEET JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE SAID I DON'T KNOW YOU OTHER THAN WHAT I HAVE READ IN YOUR POSTINGS BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD MAKE THE INVESTMENT IN MY TIME TRYING TO GET YOU IN THE FOLD EITHER FOR THE REASON YOU HAVE SAID YOU WILL PROBALY NOT BE HERE NEXT YEAR
I CAN DO THE SAME YOU CAN'T HOLD THAT AGANST ME WE ARE BOTH ALLOWED OUR OWN OPINION
I'M NOT TREATING YOU UNFAIRLY JUST TREATING YOU THE WAY YOUR TREATING ME YOU SEAM TO BE A LEVEL HEADED GUY AT TIMES BUT HAVE A BIT OF A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER AND MAYBE SHOULD LOOK WITH IN FOR AN ANSWER BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE JUST WANT FROM US
THIS IS THE LONGEST POST I THINK I HAVE EVER MADE HOPING TO HAVE MADE YOU SEE THE OTHER SIDE
AS ALWAYS
HUDSONLY
PAUL SCHUSTER
(PAULARGETYPE)
Paul, if I no longer owned a Hudson, why would I care if I was in the group? Your comment makes no sense. And complaints about the club had nothing to do with owning another make. My complaint is that memebrs complain that membership is slow and I stated that if they were more accepting of rodders, maybe their membership would grow faster. What do you mean "getting me in the fold?" Do you mean thinking like a purist? I didn't ask anyone to try and do that. My comments on the possibility that I may not renew membership only have to do with the apparent negativity thrown against rodders. What investment are you talking about, just being more accepting? Doesn't seem to me that it should be that hard.
And where have I held restoring a Hudson against someone. NEVER! Don't even try to make yourself feel better by making a false accusation. I have never held a purist to task for restoring a Hudson! I have only held some to task for their treatment of rodders. And what chip on my shoulders? Because I won't bend over and take from some? Sorry, dude, but I've got more self-respect than that.
What do I want from purists? I want the same level of respect (and I don't mean deciding to think like a purist) for rodders that rodders give purist. If you think that rodding a Hudson somehow disrespects a purist, than they are the ones with a chip on their shoulder. I want rodders to not be treated like 2nd class car owners. If you don't like something, state that you wouldn't do it to your car, not call people idiots or stupid because their way of thinking doesn't agree with yours. I fail to see that I'm asking very much from those. Or just don't allow rodders into your club.
Some folks seem to have a limited memory.......I HAVE NEVER BAD MOUTHED ANYONE FOR RESTORING A HUDSON! YET I HAVE BEEN BAD MOUTHED FOR RODDING A HUDSON! AND I HAVE NEVER HELD BEING A PURIST AGAINST ANYONE! I HAVE ONLY SPOKE OUT AGAINST THE TREATMENT SOME PURISTS HAVE DISHED OUT TO RODDERS. It is really not difficult to see who really has the chip on their shoulder.
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jsrail wrote:If you don't like something, state that you wouldn't do it to your car, not call people idiots or stupid because their way of thinking doesn't agree with yours.
Not to say that it hasn't happened before, but in the past several threads on this topic, I don't see this problem.
As long as the discussion is civil, with an agree-to-disagree attitude, I don't see a problem.
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jamcoats wrote:Not to say that it hasn't happened before, but in the past several threads on this topic, I don't see this problem.
As long as the discussion is civil, with an agree-to-disagree attitude, I don't see a problem.
Best Regards,
I agree with you jamcoats, maybe the trend is beginning.0 -
Wow, what a mix of ideas and opinions.
Forum/sub-forum
I was one of the first ones of those experssing a need for a sub-forum. The only reason I wanted a sub-forum was to keep from getting flailed and left ripped and bleeding on the sidewalk. When I first received my Hudson (a gift) I saw that it was in dire need of some upgrading. I innocently asked about upgrading to a new engine and maybe better brakes. You would have thought I raped the holy mother. I was so traumatized by the attack that it took months before I worked up enough courage to try to get help again. Even at that I would not ask any questions dealing with upgrading but just replacement parts. I can't remember the guy's name and don't care to remember it. I wouldn't mind going back to the old way with just one category of just Hudson. I think we all can share valuable information with each other about our "rides" and in the process develop lasting friendships with others of a different persuit in our hobby of owning and driving one of the classyist cars ever made, the Hudson. I'll be civil and you be civil. We can agree to disagree.
Hardtop
The 52 Ford top was "installed" onto the stock Hudson windshield.
Custom Merc or custom Hudson
I love my Hudson. Would I trade it for a Merc? Not really. Why? Being an Artist, I see the beauty of both form and function in the Hudson. A lot of forethought went into the design of it by the designers.
Am I going to leave it stock?
Absolutely not.
Now bear with me for a little story from our trip yesterday. Cheryl and I took our car to a non-judged car show at the annual Oatmeal Festival in Bertram Texas. It's held in Bertram because Oatmeal Texas is too small for the Festival. They have the usual food booths, Texas bar-b-que, turkey legs, sausage wraps, oatmeal baking contest, rides and the traditional parade downtown. Everything is oatmeal related. One of the traditions is that an airplane flies over during the parade and drops oatmeal over the town. So much oatmeal that it is like its snowing. One of the residents was telling us that some years ago the plane had just finished dropping all of its oatmeal cargo on the parade and streets of downtown when it started raining. Everything started turning into a giant gooey slimy mess of uncooked oatmeal. Everybody and everything was slipping and sliding everwhere. What a mess!
We had a great time but no rain.
Peace,
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mrsbojigger wrote:Now bear with me for a little story from our trip yesterday. Cheryl and I took our car to a non-judged car show at the annual Oatmeal Festival in Bertram Texas. It's held in Bertram because Oatmeal Texas is too small for the Festival. They have the usual food booths, Texas bar-b-que, turkey legs, sausage wraps, oatmeal baking contest, rides and the traditional parade downtown. Everything is oatmeal related. One of the traditions is that an airplane flies over during the parade and drops oatmeal over the town. So much oatmeal that it is like its snowing. One of the residents was telling us that some years ago the plane had just finished dropping all of its oatmeal cargo on the parade and streets of downtown when it started raining. Everything started turning into a giant gooey slimy mess of uncooked oatmeal. Everybody and everything was slipping and sliding everwhere. What a mess!
We had a great time but no rain.
Peace,
Chaz
What a cool story Chaz, I'm picturing all those folks slipping and sliding around. Reminds me of a Buster Keaton movie or some other slapstick movies.
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bill a wrote:i I DID A 51 HOLLYWOOD THAT WAS STRIPPED OF ALL THE TOP STAINLESS, ONE DOOR AND THE FRONT CLIP GONE. HAD A CONV WINDSHIELD FRAME, USED ILT WITH THE FRONT TOP BOW THAT CLAMPED ON HEADER USED HALF INCH CONDUIT AND BUILT A CARSON TOP. IT CAME OUT SO GOOD, I PUT IN A 7X ENG AND A B AND M HYDRO, WIRE WHEELS, I THINK IT HAS BETTER LOOKS THAN MY STOCK 51 CONV. SINCE IT WAS ASSEMBLED WITH SPARE GOOD PARTS, IT HAS A 52 HOOD, 52 TRUNKLID AND REAR BUMPER 51 PARK LIGHTS. HAS ORIG 51 HOLLYWOOD ROLLUP WINDOWS. WISH I KNEW HOW TO POST A PICTURE, DONE IN FORD YELLOW NEAR TO CORNISH CREAM. AHOLLYWOOD WOULD TAKE MUCH LESS WORK THAN DOING A COUPE. I CUT A COUPE DOOR DOWN AND MADE IT A CONV/HOLLYWOOD DOOR. LEFT OFF SIDE STANLESS AND PORK CHOPS AND FRONT FENDER ROCKETS. LOVE IT BILL ALBRIGHT
Bill, here is a picture of my 1951 convertible without side stainless, pork chops, hood and deck chrome and removed rear bumper with recessed license plate.0
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