OK you want an interesting Engine swap!
One of my neighbors is street rodding a '50 Studebaker starlight coupe with a mid '50s Desoto hemi. He recently visited an older fellow up in PA that had a stash of all kinds of older car stuff to pickup a Mopar 3spd w/ OD for the project. Anyway he said the guy had sheds full of stuff (don't know about Hudson stuff???) and there was a Seagrave (American Lafrance) V12 (twin plug) firetruck engine ready to put into ???? That would be a really interesting swap for your Hudson!!! Apparently these were based on the Pierce Arrow V12 that was used just before they went under. They came in 464 and 900 cu in for the fire trucks.
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50C8DAN wrote:One of my neighbors is street rodding a '50 Studebaker starlight coupe with a mid '50s Desoto hemi. He recently visited an older fellow up in PA that had a stash of all kinds of older car stuff to pickup a Mopar 3spd w/ OD for the project. Anyway he said the guy had sheds full of stuff (don't know about Hudson stuff???) and there was a Seagrave (American Lafrance) V12 (twin plug) firetruck engine ready to put into ???? That would be a really interesting swap for your Hudson!!! Apparently these were based on the Pierce Arrow V12 that was used just before they went under. They came in 464 and 900 cu in for the fire trucks.
You're entirely right Dan. Seagrave bought the rights to build that V12 from Pierce when Pierce Arrow went out in the late thirties and produced it up until 1970, A number of folks who had Pierce V12 engines used to go to Seagrave to have them rebuilt. Only major change Seagrave did was to improve the distributor and simplify it.0 -
A 900 cid Seagrave/Packard V12 in your Hudson? Cool. You could tow Rhode Island to the next national meet. :eek:0
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Among the interesting items at the Unfinished Nats in beautiful Elma, Washington last weekend was a Chrysler rat-rod type roadster (complete with apple box seat), powered by a fully detailed Duesenberg straight 8. The owner is a guy who used to restore high end cars, esp. Duesenbergs, and got tired of it, so became a rodder. He was careful to note that "no Duesenbergs were harmed in the making of this roadster"- it was an extra engine he had accumulated, with no matching car. The guy seemed to be as happy as if he had good sense.0
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It appears that using older engines in rods is starting to become more popular. I occasionally pickup some of the rod magazines and you see a lot of that kind of thing now, even using the original engine hopped up. This is a pleasant departure form the small block Chevy gobs of chrome junk you see on a lot of cars at many of the shows. I think it shows more creativity and effort than the crate motor approach. Who knows maybe you will see a 308 in a Chevy someday, well who knows.0
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50C8DAN wrote:It appears that using older engines in rods is starting to become more popular. I occasionally pickup some of the rod magazines and you see a lot of that kind of thing now, even using the original engine hopped up. This is a pleasant departure form the small block Chevy gobs of chrome junk you see on a lot of cars at many of the shows. I think it shows more creativity and effort than the crate motor approach. Who knows maybe you will see a 308 in a Chevy someday, well who knows.
Your right that original engines are getting popular, but putting show cars aside, which most of us don't own anyway, I've seen more chrome on a flathead Ford engine than mine, which has no chrome. I agree with you that I don't like a bunch of chrome either, but it certainly isn't only a SBC thing, its just a hot rod thing. You just see it more on SBC because more folks use them. Why, 'cause, in the overall, they are better than anything else made! LOL!0 -
jsrail wrote:Your right that original engines are getting popular, but putting show cars aside, which most of us don't own anyway, I've seen more chrome on a flathead Ford engine than mine, which has no chrome. I agree with you that I don't like a bunch of chrome either, but it certainly isn't only a SBC thing, its just a hot rod thing. You just see it more on SBC because more folks use them. Why, 'cause, in the overall, they are better than anything else made! LOL!
This guy is good, theres nothing like a sbc 327 pouring out 71/2 k
Tough Iam using a 350 010 block 4 bolts etc etc0 -
essexcoupe3131 wrote:This guy is good, theres nothing like a sbc 327 pouring out 71/2 k
Tough Iam using a 350 010 block 4 bolts etc etc
Awesome choice Mike. Had a '63 Vette 327 w/ a '68 quadrajet manifold and carb in my '38 Dodge 5 window coupe. Damn I loved that motor. Got 8mpg back then, but I didn't care, it would rock the fenders!0 -
My dad worked for a Chrysler dealer in Santa Monica, California and the used car lot had a 30 something Dodge with a Duesenburg engine in it for only $1500. this was back in the late 1950's, and no I didn't have the money to buy the car, but was told the engine was worth more than that.:eek: 0 -
50C8DAN wrote:It appears that using older engines in rods is starting to become more popular. I occasionally pickup some of the rod magazines and you see a lot of that kind of thing now, even using the original engine hopped up. This is a pleasant departure form the small block Chevy gobs of chrome junk you see on a lot of cars at many of the shows. I think it shows more creativity and effort than the crate motor approach. Who knows maybe you will see a 308 in a Chevy someday, well who knows.
It's called "natural progression"!!! When you take your street rod to a show and there's 500 others just like it on the field, you suddenly want something different. So this trend will continue until somebody takes their street rod, with original engine, to a car show a few years down the line and there are 500 others just like it.........well, you get the idea.
Frustrating, ain't it. That's why is a great idea to take your Hudson out to cruise nights and other type car shows. Drives the Mustang and Camarro crowds crazy when the Hudson (probably the only one there) draws people like iron filings to a magnet.
Hudsonly,
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hudsontech wrote:It's called "natural progression"!!! When you take your street rod to a show and there's 500 others just like it on the field, you suddenly want something different. So this trend will continue until somebody takes their street rod, with original engine, to a car show a few years down the line and there are 500 others just like it.........well, you get the idea.
Frustrating, ain't it. That's why is a great idea to take your Hudson out to cruise nights and other type car shows. Drives the Mustang and Camarro crowds crazy when the Hudson (probably the only one there) draws people like iron filings to a magnet.
Hudsonly,
Alex B
True, Very True! I took my "barn fresh" 37 Hudson 4dr sedan to the local cruise night last year and didn't think I would get a soul to stop and look............Boy was I wrong! I had more people around that thing than I could have imagined. You would have thought it was one of the cars from a recent episode of "Overhaulin"! Not the wornout old 4dr sedan that it is!!
Only sad part is (as some of you know) my cam gave way this spring and looks like the whole thing needs rebuilding! Now I am torn between the uniqueness of the original straight 8 (254ci) and the availability & $$ savings of going with a SBC as a replacement. I was really hoping to do a resto-rod on the sedan, wide whites, nice rake, orig 8 with polished head and dual carbs, headers, smitty's, etc, etc.
Does anyone have a good running straight 8 to sell me? I really need to go Straight 8!!0 -
Husker Nation wrote:True, Very True! I took my "barn fresh" 37 Hudson 4dr sedan to the local cruise night last year and didn't think I would get a soul to stop and look............Boy was I wrong! I had more people around that thing than I could have imagined. You would have thought it was one of the cars from a recent episode of "Overhaulin"! Not the wornout old 4dr sedan that it is!!
Only sad part is (as some of you know) my cam gave way this spring and looks like the whole thing needs rebuilding! Now I am torn between the uniqueness of the original straight 8 (254ci) and the availability & $$ savings of going with a SBC as a replacement. I was really hoping to do a resto-rod on the sedan, wide whites, nice rake, orig 8 with polished head and dual carbs, headers, smitty's, etc, etc.
Does anyone have a good running straight 8 to sell me? I really need to go Straight 8!!
How come its so different here? When I have seen a Hudson at a cruise night here (and thats only been 3 times out of a dozen events) they're lucky if one person actually does anything more than walk past and give it a cursory glance. Hardly anybody ever stops to talk with the owner about it, maybe a couple in an evenings time, and they're mostly folks that probably owned one new. How come?0 -
Jay,
you have to be in a hard part of the country. For me I have to get up early in the morning to wash my 51 Hornet I have people stopping and coming over all the time. Took it to one of those restuarant cruise nights had a circle around the car all night. The guys driving the hotrods all know the racing heritage and want a close look at the 308 toss in the black clifford header and the Twin H and folks just love the sound when you rev it.
Its a shame you didn't get to drive around in yours before you went to work on it. If I go to the gas station I got people all over me. One lady told me just loved the lines of the car. I think thats what draws them then they get a load of my buff exterior and its all over but the crying.....:p
Our recent Hudson meet was a mixed event meaning we held ours in conjuction with a bigger event. The organizers said we had the most foot traffic of any brand and would we lead the car parade. At that event we had hotrods, Packards. Mopar, Chevy you name it but we had people all over us the whole day. Worked out really nice as the Hudson owners were pretty happy they got so much attention. Again it could have been my buff exterior but that can only explain so much.....0 -
51hornetA wrote:Its a shame you didn't get to drive around in yours before you went to work on it. If I go to the gas station I got people all over me. One lady told me just loved the lines of the car. I think thats what draws them then they get a load of my buff exterior and its all over but the crying.....:p
I couldn't have driven mine, it had 2 busted headbolts and froze solid! I bought it that way, and after consideration, decided not to go the flathead route. If I thought I could have found car in otherwise as good shape as mine, I would probably just have sold it. But not a lot of demand for the Pace's I guess, so I will keep it and modify it. I do think the lines are great and that the cars would get a lot of attention for that. But they just don't seem to flock to them at cruisins around here, maybe because of the "stock condition" issue, who knows. Folks here, at least at a cruisin, don't seem to get very excited about an original older car, in fact, not many people do for any brand, unless its one of those rare cars, like the Checker Limo, etc. Though the Early T-Birds and Vettes get a lot of looks even when original.
Now if someone had a nice and loud sounding one and was revving it or burning out in the parking lot, that would get some attention!
I guess a modified was seen here last night, but, alas, I couldn't make the meet. I posted a pic over at the hot rod forum.
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hudsontech wrote:
Alex, Most amusing your comments. I took my Terraplane 8 Coupe to quite a few shows when we lived in Pa. Most people had never heard of a Terraplane except old gezzers and that is another story.I dont remember many people looking at any car in particular. Everybody out here in IOWA think it's a Chevrolet or Pontiac,It's called "natural progression"!!! When you take your street rod to a show and there's 500 others just like it on the field, you suddenly want something different. So this trend will continue until somebody takes their street rod, with original engine, to a car show a few years down the line and there are 500 others just like it.........well, you get the idea.
Frustrating, ain't it. That's why is a great idea to take your Hudson out to cruise nights and other type car shows. Drives the Mustang and Camarro crowds crazy when the Hudson (probably the only one there) draws people like iron filings to a magnet.
Hudsonly,
Alex B0 -
jsrail wrote:How come its so different here? When I have seen a Hudson at a cruise night here (and thats only been 3 times out of a dozen events) they're lucky if one person actually does anything more than walk past and give it a cursory glance. Hardly anybody ever stops to talk with the owner about it, maybe a couple in an evenings time, and they're mostly folks that probably owned one new. How come?
I don't know, maybe you live in some sort of Hudson 'Bermuda' White Triangle, and no one notices them. LOL
Seriously, I've been cross country a couple of times now in a stepdown, and felt eyes on me practically the whole time. It didn't seem to matter what state I was in, or whether I was on a freeway, or a 2-lane gravel road through the desert. Semi's 'honk' their air horns, bikers give the 'thumbs up'. I've been 'blessed', and 'saluted' from passing drivers. From 75mph photographs being taken, to talking with the crowds gathered under the hood at the gas station when I was just trying to check the oil! Even in Sunny California, where there are a WHOLE lotta nice cars of all kinds, people would definitely notice, and I'd keep getting invited to car shows and cruises!0 -
hudsonguy wrote:I don't know, maybe you live in some sort of Hudson 'Bermuda' White Triangle, and no one notices them. LOL
Seriously, I've been cross country a couple of times now in a stepdown, and felt eyes on me practically the whole time. It didn't seem to matter what state I was in, or whether I was on a freeway, or a 2-lane gravel road through the desert. Semi's 'honk' their air horns, bikers give the 'thumbs up'. I've been 'blessed', and 'saluted' from passing drivers. From 75mph photographs being taken, to talking with the crowds gathered under the hood at the gas station when I was just trying to check the oil! Even in Sunny California, where there are a WHOLE lotta nice cars of all kinds, people would definitely notice, and I'd keep getting invited to car shows and cruises!
hudsonguy, I think we are sometimes talking about two different things. I'm sure around here, if you pulled into a gas station, yours and any old car would attract lots of attention. What I am referring to is a cruisin where you are parked amongst many cars and trucks. That is where I don't see hardly anybody (except maybe a couple of old timers who are familiar with them) stopping to spend anytime on a Hudson (if they even show up, the Huds I mean), or many other makes for that matter.
Personally, I think it has to do with most folks out here being more attracted to something different (and I don't mean different from a Ford, Chev, Merc, etc.), at least in their minds. I see many folks looking at a row of 55-57 Bel Airs, they are mostly stock and look alike, and they are looked at while walking past. The folks who stop are ones that own one or wish they owned one. Hudsons (which most are more doors), when stock, frankly look like all the other stock 50's cars which folks' grandparents drove (no disrespect meant here). They really have little interest in stock old cars unless it is something unusual, like the Checker Limo I mentioned above. It was a bone stock original restoration, but was so different, there was always somebody there talking with the owner.
But the Pink Caddy slammed on the gound or the modified Ford Vic (a fav of mine, he's always out), or the blown BBC Vette consistently draw the crowds. And though I haven't seen a Twin-H set up out here yet, I can tell you I'm pretty sure its not going to help you any. Now, if you had 3 dueces, or a blower/supercharger on it, that would attract attention. 2 big air cleaners don't mean anything. I think a rat rod Hudson would draw a lot of attention as well, though not personally my cup of tea.
The majority of people I see at our local cruisins are either my age (mid 40's) and younger (the majority) or some from the 50's hot rod days. Stock cars are not high on their interest lists, unless its the T-Bird, Vette, Shelby Cobra, Hemi Cuda, etc. Most of the folks in their 50's or 60's there drive hot rods or muscle cars, only a small portion drive stock/restored cars and trucks.
Just my observations.
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hudsonguy, I think we are sometimes talking about two different things. I'm sure around here, if you pulled into a gas station, yours and any old car would attract lots of attention. What I am referring to is a cruisin where you are parked amongst many cars and trucks. That is where I don't see hardly anybody (except maybe a couple of old timers who are familiar with them) stopping to spend anytime on a Hudson (if they even show up, the Huds I mean), or many other makes for that matter.
Jay,
You're right. We are talking about two different things.
Car shows is one thing.....street driving is something else....and CruiseIns are yet a whole different animal...
I've only been to a couple of 'Cruise-Ins' around here. They usually happen at night time at some of the local burger joints, etc. I'm usually busy at night, since I'm also a musician, so I haven't done too many of those. The ones I have been to were pretty much dominated by the street rodders, so no I didn't get much interest in the Hudson. It doesn't have any 'neon lights on it.
I guess that's why I never go to Cruise-Ins anymore! LOL0 -
Well, as soon as my Coupe is done, I'll drive to the local cruisin and all Hudsons are welcome to park around mine so that I can draw some attention to us! LOL!!!!
Come on...I'm just teasin'0
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