rear drums removal!
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I POSTED THIS A FEW YEARS AGO IT SHOWS HOW TO DO THE JOB YOU HAVE TO GET REAL MAD AT THE DOG BONE AND HIT AS HARD AS YOU CAN THIS IS THE WEBB ADDRESS THERE ARE 2 PAGES MAKE SURE YOU LOOK AT BOTH GOOD LUCK
http://groups.msn.com/HudsonEssexTerraplaneBulletinBoard/rearwheelpuller.msnw
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PAULARGETYPE0 -
Thanks so much for that information. My dog bone is obviously missing from the puller so I'll need to either get one made or borrow/buy another puller. Paul.0
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You might be able to use a good open end wrench as a replacement doggie bone. Sears and Wall Mart will replace them if they break.
By the way, I remove the big anchor pin nut on the back of the backing plate routinely which releases the brake guts in case the shoes are rusted to the drums.
You'll think they are never gonna break loose but they will.0 -
Wouldn't recommend using an open end wrench. How about a six point box end instead, preferably a knock wrench designed to be struck. Couldn't an impact wrench with six point socket be used or would that cause damage to the bearings?0
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Yeah, sorry, I was thinkin of whomping on the open end and using the box. I have broken them loose with a socket and breaker bar with a 4 ft pipe and jumping on it.0
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If you womp on the puller, give it some time to work. Then maybe a tap on the end of it. Also, leave the axle nut on loose. When it pops loose, you don't want it coming after you!
Good Luck
Steve0 -
I used a rear axle from a mid 60's Chrysler. It has the same bolt pattern as Hudson. First I popped out all the studs from the axle and went out and bought five 3 1/2 inch fine thread bolts and placed them through the axle flange holes and threaded them into all five holes in the drum. Slowly torqueing the bolts down in a criss cross pattern. Drums pop off very easily without any damage.
Glenn0 -
Yesterday my son Matt and I changed the rear axle seals on my '49 sedan. We used the correct drum puller per Paul's instructions. I got tired pounding away on the doggie done so Matt took his turn. When the drum finally let go it made such a loud pop, if scared the ---- out of Matt.
All went well and after doing the first side Matt had to go to work at the fire department so I completed the second side myself.0 -
When you're putting those back on, put a light coating of Anti Sieze on the taper, and they'll come off easier next time.0
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I was in a bind to pull the rear hubs on my 49 recently and couldn't locate
the puller I've seen pics posted of before so I settled for a hydraulic hub
puller I found at a local Chinese tool store. As spindly as it looked it managed
to pop both hubs with not a lot of force. I was pretty amazed actually and
will try and post a pic this weekend.
On a side note I found it much easier to grease the axle bearings with the
hubs off. That way I could watch the grease coming through the bearing
and turn the axle aand see that it was greasing uniformly. Afterwards I wiped
the excess grease on the the hub side out before reassembling.0 -
When trying to disassemble a rear end that's been inactive for a while (a junk or donor rear end), Uncle Josh's technique of taking the 15/16" nut off the back of the brake plate is priceless. Saves alot of brake parts too.
The brake shoes come right off with the drum, it strips the little spring pins off, but they are normally almost rusted in two anyway.
That little tip has helped me take apart some stubborn rear ends that seemed hopeless.
Thanks Uncle Josh!
Mark0 -
Promised a pic of my hub/drum puller. Although my drums have been off
previously they popped pretty hard when they came loose. I'm impressed
that just hand pressure on this hydraulic ram did the job. Don't know if its
the name of the company or the tool but it has a picture of some anteater
looking creature and the name Snark under neath it.
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Interesting! Several years ago I bought a used version of this puller (well, mine has the three 'legs' like the one shown in Paul Schuster's illustrated 'how-to', over at the Hudson Photo Album site).
Because it did NOT have the familiar 'dogbone' anvil, which you could whack with a heavy hammer, I distrusted it. But the center portion is in two stages; you hand-turn the larger, outer bolt until it touches the end of the axle, then you start tightening the inner bolt by turning the chrome handle. This inner section has very fine threads and you have a LOT of leverage. It removed my brake drum with no problem!
However, up til now I'd never seen another puller like it.0 -
Yep, I'm guessing the handle end is moving a small piston to build pressure
and the axle end piston must be considerably larger to gain that much
advantage. Had to give $70 for this one though.0 -
Okay so I've gone through this thread of messages and I have not found a manufacturer name and part number for the puller shown in the picture.
I went to an auto parts stores and I rented a hub puller only to get home and find out that someone had stripped the threads on both the bolt and puller assembly. The puller looked like the one in the picture except that it was a solid bolt with no plunger assembly. I then went to a scond parts store and their puller was not in much better condition. The third store that I went to had an OEM brand puller but I quickly learned that if I applied too much pressure it to would have stripped threads. I then rented the slap hammer attachment and after about two hours my ears were ringing and my hands were stinging and the drum had not moved. My hands were so sore that I felt like I was going to get a Charlie Horse in my hand when I tried to cut a meat burrito for my dinner. Note: One web page recommends a Snap-On hub puller, part number CJ129 (about $160) but the picture does not look any better than the tools that I have tried.
This morning I woke up at 3:00 a.m. with one of those ah-ha moments remembering my experiences many years ago. Nowhere in this thread of information is a recommendation to loosen the brake adjustment (small hole in the back of the plate) to the loosest position. This can be a life saver if the drums are worn. If you don't do this and the drum is worn then you'll be trying to tear the brake shoes off of the backing plate. Unfortunately this did not help.
Then against better judgement I tried heat. You know what? The drum expands in both directions and it didn't seem to help loosen the drum. I guess I could see heat working on a tapered shaped shaft because then the expansion might help to push the drum off. However if the axle and drum are a straight fitting, like two pipes - one inside the other, then heat only increases the pressure between the two items.
So the bottom line is two days are shot, my hands are killing me, and the brake drum is still on the car. Short of finding someone to use a torch to cut the drum off, does anyone have any other ideas?0 -
I am now answering my own message. I just ordered a Kinetik hydraulic hub puller, item number 100-07067, rated at 12 tons of pressure. Hopefully this will do the trick0
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I had difficulties last week removing rear drums from a 54 Hornet. I tired the rental units from a local tool store only to strip the threads. A mechanic near me loaned the slide hammer product from Napa and after about an hour of two of us slamming on it, a large blister and sore hands we gave up to do more research.
I ended up ordering this model last Tuesday. Price seemed right as this might be the only time I use this tool:
http://sastool.com/product_info.php?cPath=39&products_id=226
The tool seemed pretty light weight and I would assume that it is made in China, but it worked. Only took a few minutes on each drum. I left the wheel nut on the end---as I didn't want to risk damaging the threads. This also keeps the drum from flying at you.
Best of luck.
Tom0 -
This is the same type puller I have though mine is a different brand. I've used it twice with no problems. Paul Schuster has a very good pictoral on the use of this type puller.
Bob0 -
Model 92 wrote:I am having trouble getting the rear hubs off a Terraplane axle. The manual says to not strike the end of the hub puller. Anyone got any advice?
A PDF file that combines all of Pauls pictures and shows how to remove the rear drums.
http://members.aol.com/sanjuana/How%20to%20do%20PDF%20files/RemoveHudsonRearBrakeDrum.pdf0
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