Hooray for new technology (?)

SamJ · July 2007

For all of you who have been complaining about wet clutches and splash oil systems, this is for you. The new direct gasoline injection 3.6L V6 that GM will offer in its high-end cars next year. (Gasoline is injected directly into the cylinders). Keep your tools handy...this baby can't possibly be more complicated that the system that keeps the space station in orbit or a Federal corporate tax return (not you, Jay) can it? :cool:

[Deleted User] · July 2007

Oooooh!

Another fine product for GMs customer's to test and work the bugs out of!

Can't wait to see how quick these injectors degrade due to heat and carbon build up.

Bet the gas mileage drops off sharply within the first year along with throttle

response.

I'll take splash oiling, wet clutches, points, manual chokles & 6 volt generators all day compaired to the high tech crap being built and I'm a electronic engineer!

PaceRacer50

Geoff · July 2007

I bet there would be some damage if the cotter pin locked on the sprocket!

50C8DAN · July 2007

GM has been using direct injection on some of their 4 cylinder engines for over 2 years now without any issues. Mitsubishi who pioneered this technology has been using it first in Japan at least 7 or 8 years ago, so it is coming probably coming to all the new engines very soon.

[Deleted User] · July 2007

50C8DAN wrote:

GM has been using direct injection on some of their 4 cylinder engines for over 2 years now without any issues.

Direct Injection.....Does that include the air needed as well?

hudsontech · July 2007

SamJ wrote:

For all of you who have been complaining about wet clutches and splash oil systems, this is for you. The new direct gasoline injection 3.6L V6 that GM will offer in its high-end cars next year. (Gasoline is injected directly into the cylinders). Keep your tools handy...this baby can't possibly be more complicated that the system that keeps the space station in orbit or a Federal corporate tax return (not you, Jay) can it? :cool:

Oh, that looks like fun - gonna have to mortgage the house just to get a mech to open the hood!!!!

Ought to be right up there with that other "innovation" GM came out with in the Caddies a few years back - the 4-6-8 engine. Anybody seen one of those jewels lately??

Bottom line - American cars were top of the line back in the days when "engineers" (now a dirty word in the industry) made the rules. Now it's up to the "bean counters" to dictate what must be made and sold.

Sad state of affairs.

Hudsonly,

Alex Burr

[Deleted User] · July 2007

Sam, a corporate return is really simple compared to this! lol And hah, I remember those Caddy motors, never did work right from what I heard. Though that newer Chrysler variable displacement motor V8 is suppossed to be well done. A friend of mine has one in his Magnum, and he likes it alot. Of course, too complicated for me to work on, but then, so are most motors manufactured after 1980! LOL

And enough bad mouthing the "bean counters!" LOL They are not the decision makers, just unfortunate folks that are told to budget a car for XX amount of profit. Blame designers, overpaid executives, and board directors for bad decisions. Most CFO's, in my opinion, are less like a real accountant, and more like a company political figure.

Jay "bean counter!"

SamJ · July 2007

jsrail wrote: »

And enough bad mouthing the "bean counters!" LOL They are not the decision makers, just unfortunate folks that are told to budget a car for XX amount of profit. Blame designers, overpaid executives, and board directors for bad decisions. Most CFO's, in my opinion, are less like a real accountant, and more like a company political figure.QUOTE]

You're right, Jay...I've seen the "big three" from the inside, and it ain't the accountants who are making product and production decisions. What I can't figure out is why they aren't listening to their customers. Were there really a bunch of citizens sitting around saying "I just wish somebody would build a pickup truck with a 5-cylinder engine?" or "My automatic transmission shifts too harshly...can't they come up with some kind of constant velocity device...maybe like the early Model T Ford had?" or "I wish I could buy a car that would parallel park itself?" I realize I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but some of these decisions are beyond me...:eek:

[Deleted User] · July 2007

298hp out of 220 cubes is pretty good stuff.

BTW, I wonder how many shade tree mechanics sat around in 1951 complaining about how complicated that new fangled Twin-H thing was going to be to keep in tune!

Unknown · July 2007

hudsontech wrote:

Oh, that looks like fun - gonna have to mortgage the house just to get a mech to open the hood!!!!

Ought to be right up there with that other "innovation" GM came out with in the Caddies a few years back - the 4-6-8 engine. Anybody seen one of those jewels lately??

Bottom line - American cars were top of the line back in the days when "engineers" (now a dirty word in the industry) made the rules. Now it's up to the "bean counters" to dictate what must be made and sold.

Sad state of affairs.

Hudsonly,

Alex Burr

I think Chrysler has figured out the 4-6-8 engine with the hemi.

but you're right you don't see any caddies with that, even the ones converted.

I think as time goes by things get more complicated.

MikeWA · July 2007

Actually, I had an 8-6-4 in an '81 Eldorado Biarritz, and it worked fine- only problem was, it was slightly annoying (bit of a lag when it went from 4 to 8 cyl. when you "got on it"), and it really didn't do any good. The mileage was about the same as the cars without it. I bought the car when it was 10 years old, and had it for 6 or 7 years, but the computer went out. You couldn't use a "regular" computer in it, and they long since quit making the 8-6-4 computer, so I finally (reluctantly) sold it for parts. BTW, it was decidedly "low tech", compared to today- magnets pulled open the valves on the unused cylinders, and the computer shut off the fuel to those cylinders.

Hooray for new technology (?)

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