12 volt field coils

SuperDave

I am hopeing that my source sends me more information soon. He did answer me last week with the message that he had been busy but would get the information I asked for. I am wondering if he didn't mix up the two coils he sent me. As previuosly reported on this thread, The ST-49 was a direct replacement.I found that the St-49 I got was not a direct replacement and will require some different brushes. The St-12X was an easy installation. Perhaps my source accidently attached the tags wrong? I may break down and take the starter out of the car and inspect it to see just what the Wilson number was on the ST-12X that I used. I may do that as soon as I get this one I'm working on with the ST-49s all together.Then I can just swap starters.



My source may have bought surplus or left over stock from a supplier, that's why he had some Wilson coils that are not being made currently.

[Deleted User]

Wish we knew what ST-12-X is as its not a valid Ace number in any of the sources I looked at. Thats why they want the Wilson number they think you probably have a still valid Wilson coil but the ST-12-X is the wrong Ace label for it. If push comes to shove I will send them a 6V coil set and see what they come up with.

SuperDave

51hornetA wrote:

Wish we knew what ST-12-X is as its not a valid Ace number in any of the sources I looked at. Thats why they want the Wilson number they think you probably have a still valid Wilson coil but the ST-12-X is the wrong Ace label for it. If push comes to shove I will send them a 6V coil set and see what they come up with.

Well, so far, I would not use the Wilson 55-06-4427. It's a difficult installation. I bought a set of brushes intended for a 1962-64 Dodge Dart or Plymouth Valient. With a little ingenuity I will make them work. My job tomorow is to try and get that starter together. I will pull the one that has the mystery coils in it , check the numbers and report back. Those are the coils to use.

SuperDave

OK.. What a project. I managed to get the ST-49 series coils in and working. I am pretty sure at this point that the tag on the coils that say ST-49 is incorrect.I would never do it again.. it works fine, spins a little slower than the ST-12X. At least that's what it sounds like. It's on the car and I'm tired of removeing and replacing, so it will stay there until I need to repair or replace it.

I took the other starter apart and checked the for the Wilson numbers they are......55-06-4454...... They were the ones my supplier had labled ST-12-X. A perfect fit. No alterations. As they say "plug and play".

Now to find out if Wilson still makes them. cost,. what they were originally for etc...

[Deleted User]

Ok I phoned the warehouse and they list them at $16.59 CAN as a jobber price for them. He did not have any so I have to call the Winnipeg depot tomorrow and see what they say. He said they still carry them and this is a different coil than the 4467 that I talked to them about the other day. If they can get them in I am going to buy 4 sets for the starters I have to rebuild.

SuperDave

51hornetA wrote:

Ok I phoned the warehouse and they list them at $16.59 CAN as a jobber price for them. He did not have any so I have to call the Winnipeg depot tomorrow and see what they say. He said they still carry them and this is a different coil than the 4467 that I talked to them about the other day. If they can get them in I am going to buy 4 sets for the starters I have to rebuild.

Thanks for the information. Great work!

I'm curious to know what the 4454 fits originally? Do you have an address / email or website to place an order from? I would like to buy one more 4454 and which ever number field coil set to convert a 54 Automatic starter. Now to find a source and decent price for the starter drive EBB-7.

[Deleted User]

Called the main office today and they do not show any inventory. The guy is going to search them down and see if he can get me any stock of these. I will let you know what they come up with. If I can get some at that price I will just buy what I can and send you a set. See what he says about consistent availability. I think we might not see a lot of these. You should see if the guy you deal with can get more.

SuperDave

I apptreciate the offer. I hope you make a deal !..I will again try to get a response from my supplier. His prices are much greater than the Wilson Co. I will need at least one more set of 55-06-4454 and one set of 55-06-4467. I may also check with the local auto electric guy and see if he has any in stock.

I've learned a bit about changing field coils which i have never done before. I farmed the first set out, then bit the bullet and did the second one myself. I used a small propane torch to install the brushes and connections. I had to drill the field coil screws out. I found replacement socket head screws at Ace Hardware. The heads are a little too large so I ground them down after installing them.

Many thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread. I know it's added a page or two to my files..

SuperDave

Now I am realy confused!

I just took my first 6204 automatic transmission starter apart. In fact I took two of them apart. They appear to have been rebuilt sometime in thier life. Both only had TWO field coils. There are four magnets, or field coil retainers. The two coils that are in there are larger (wider)than the ones in the standard shift 6006 starter. Much wider, so you could only install two. Is that original or are these modified?

Kdancy

Dave, I found this info while googling for the 12v field coil info. Did you get an answer to the above question on the AT starters? Any updates ? I have a couple of starters I'd like to change over to 12v and one that needs to remain 6v. the local starter-generator guy that used to do mine is out of business and I'm not going to pay a vendor 350.00 that he quoted me to rebuild this starter!!

SuperDave

Kerry,
I don't have any more information than is stated in the previous posts. The source I had stopped responding. No phone answered and no email responded to. So... ?... Both starters I did back then are gone. One on my "Superdore" standard shift, which has been sold and the other on a 54 Hornet HydraMatic that has now seen about three owners since it was in my shop. It's interesting that you dug this up, because I am considering rebuilding an automatic starter for my Brougham project that has a HydraMatic installed. I guess I'll have to start the research over again.
If you uncover a source for the 12 volt coils for the automatic starter.. let us know.

Kdancy

What about changing the field coils from parallel to series?
http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73407

Kdancy

51Hornet, what did you come up with? Did you send a set of the coils off to have checked for 12v replacement?