Hydramatic Starter, Broken nose-cones

Ol racer

FYI
Out of curosity, I spoke to the people at Snap that Briankarley Posted earlier regarding 12V Mini gear Reduction Starters for Hudson. They told me they will have some in stock within a Month using quality Denso Starters, not China brand. They will send a picture soon which I will Post. The Cost will be around $300 (TBD) but no more broken nose cones & much faster cranking... Im pleased with the Mopar mini Starters ive converted for my Hudson's, but may be too complex a task for everyone...

Ol racer

FTI

Forgot to mention while a New Mini Starter for a Hudson may seem pricey, but recently a friend had his12V '56 Starter totally rebuilt costing nearly $200......

Kdancy

this is good news!
I'll be getting one as soon as available-

PAULARGETYPE

OL RACE I HAVE A USED STARTER OFF A 56 FOR YOUR FRIEND IF HE NEEDS A SPAIR FOR $40

Ol racer

Are you coming to Sun Meet? Maybe bring it(& few decals)

PAULARGETYPE

YES I AM I'LL LOOK TODAY AND GET IT OUT

Clutchguy

I am not for sure,but isn't it advised to weld the ring gear onto the flywheel when using the mini-starters?. I saw one at San Mateo that had been driven off?.

Frankvintagefullflowcom

If you are using one on a manual transmission flywheel it can knock the ring gear loose/off since the engagement is from the front. The ring gear is installed from the rear and seats against a ridge so it can be hammered off the back by the rather violent engagement of the drive. The drive shouldn't be travelling far enough to hit the gear except for the inevitable conflict of space during engagement. They ain't synchronized.
The Hydra-Matic wheels have the gear teeth cut directly on the flywheel/torus cover and are not replaceable but the upside is that the gear can't be knocked off.
I'd imagine everyone knows this trick, but if you want to restore the ugly engagement area on a manual flywheel, mark it's position, cook it off and reinstall it at 60 degrees (for sixes) from what it was. It will work for the eights, too but the worn areas are so close together (@90 degrees instead of 120) that it doesn't look like it's worth the trouble. Heat it quickly at the perimeter so as to expand the ring only.
Bingo! Fresh engagement area.
To reinstall, just throw in the oven (behind the bald guy) and cook. It'll drop right on, being sure to set it on at 60 degrees from mark. (6 cyl.)
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RL Chilton

That's good info to know. How fast are you turning the flywheel to heat up the ring gear?

Frankvintagefullflowcom

I don't recall exactly but I'd guess it at one of the lowest on the machine......100 or so. I think too fast would tend to offset some of the effect of heating, too slow might tend to overheat locally. I didn't go above 400F I'm pretty sure. I checked it periodically with an infrared gun.
I see I didn't type fast enough and Ken beat me to the response, but it's pretty much wat I just said.
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SuperDave

Placing the flywheel in the freezer prior to the re-installation helps. Mine just about fell on.

Ol racer

Update
The Company converting the Nepentenso Mini Starter for Hudson's with Hydromatic called late yesterday to verify my email address to send pictures and Information next week.

GrimGreaser

Cool. Can't wait to see what they came up with.

Frankvintagefullflowcom

Sdave,
I also considered cooling the wheel but just heating the ring in the oven made it fall into place. You may have noted the brass hammer in the photo but I never actually used it.
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