How many Pickups in H.E.T. Club Roster
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1921
607336-Briggs, Leonard-Essex pu
1923
none-Markins, Richard- Hudson pu
105261-Blake, Dr. Robert-Essex Truck
1927
186567-Blake, Dr. Robert-Hudson PU
1928
1HXA31AA1A3006604-Peterson, Edward L "Brownie"-Essex (Utah DMV vin #)
1929
11401-Johnson, Bob & Jeneane-Dover pu
836795-Williams, Philip & Marcia-R truck
1197827-Borkhuis, Ronald L.- Dover Screen Side PU
1931
A907041-essex truck
1934
403418-Kale, Press-Terraplane
1935
none-Fournier, Douglas B-Terraplane
none-Whited, Michael & Tammy-Commercial Gu truck
5130124-Dunevant, Terry-Terraplan G PU
1936
none-Heitkamp, Mike & Kathy-Terraplane
none-White, Scott & Linda
175307-Kellogg, Glen & Sally-Terraplane
6143831-Ellis, Vern & Kristin-Terraplane
6150803-Schwartz, Burton & Ann Marie-Terraplane
6164808-DDDDDTodd, Mike & Tammy-Terraplane
6167082 Douglas, Howard T. & Phillis
CA567683-Lampe, David P.
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Press's truck - 1934 - 403418. In 1934 Model K, Special and Commercial, serial numbers ran 373000 to 396725.
There is no doubt that he has a 1934 model, but that serial number is an odd-ball.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
Thanks for pointing that out Alex. I thought it looked odd when I saw it in the Roster. Press and I are in the same club chapter. I'll give him a call about it. There are several numbers in the Roster that seem odd. I will correct any discrepencies in the list when I am given the correct Vin numbers. This is helping me to get aquainted with the HET vin numbering system. Your General Information handbook is a big help. I have not been familiar with pre 46 vin numbers, this project is helping and bewildering when a number seems odd.
I was so blury eyed tired last night when I finished 1921-1946 list at 3:30 am. It was to long to post all of it at once. I forgot to click save it all before highlighting 1921-1936 and posting in smaller groups. When I went back to post the rest, 1937-1946 was gone. OOOHNOOO!!!! Went to bed. I'll redue and post later. The additional info posted on the forum will be included.
Thanks to all of you for your help.
Lee O'Dell
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Lee, I've spent nigh on 30 + years studying Hudson serial (vin) numbers and I'm still confused about it half the time. I discovered early on that there appears to be no (at this late date) one system. Starting numbers can vary from publication to publication - even within Hudson books. I've found plenty of sources; Hudson, Insurance blue books and so on - these blue books, such as Branhams and NAPA, are pretty much in agreement with Hudson sources, surprisingly. What I eventually ended up doing is going by this system - if I found 4 sources and could get two that agreed I'd go with that; if 3 sources agreed that was good; if all sources agreed (rare) we figured we were golden - at least until another source showed up. We have, I believe, one of the most accurate collection of numbers that are available given the lack of Hudson records.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
My 1940 Traveler was originally registered in Ontario, Canada, then California when I moved there. When I came to Santa Fe, the MVD clerk noted that the serial number on the door post did not match the Cali registration (the numbers were transposed). After telling me that I would have to get an affidavit showing that I owned the car, she just said "Oh, the heck with it" and changed the number back to match the car's manufacturer's plate. If you can show that the car was originally registered in 19** it's a 19**, whatever the serial number.0
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Mine is the 5130124 1935 G Same numbers on the firewall plate are also stamped on the front axle, passenger side and frame, passenger side.0
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dterry-2011 - If your curious about your serial number the first two digits (51) are the model (Model 51 or G - or you could say series 51, Model G). The remainder (30124) are the actual serial number.
What this tells you is, breaking down the 51 is the 5 = 1935 and the 1 = Model G. The Model G's were offered in both Special and Commercial. Series 52 Terraplanes were Deluxe models. The other series were 53 thru 58 Hudson models.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
Alex, thanks for the breakdown-Doc you are correct, most people think that is a fire extinguisher. Happy Holidays.0
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Update on the 37 Doodlebug. No sign of a vin, but Jeff says it was built from a car. Everybody had these dual tranny things around here. People couldn't afford proper tractors. Dad built one from our 31 Model A, Model A front tranny, Ford truck 4 speed rear tranny and a worm drive Ruxtell rear end. Peeled the teeth off the brass worm pulling stumps with it. Uncle Elwin had one built from a 28 Dodge Brothers. There's a doodlebug club South of Oneonta, NY. If I ever get the coupe done, I want to build me one out of some of my Hudson parts. BTW, anybody figger out how we get 13 speeds out of a 3 and a 4 speed?0
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Uncle Josh
I'll give it a shot.
1st gear 1st trans
1st first trans 1st second trans
1 and 2nd
1 and 3
1 and 4th
2nd and lst
2 and 2
2 and 3
2 and 4
3rd and 1st
3 and 2nd
3 and 3rd
3 and 4th
= 113
Right?
Lee O'Dell0 -
Well Lee, T1-1 and T2-N is not a speed as Rick points out. I suppose you could get 113 speeds by changing the motor revs. (I know, it's a typo)
However, Rick, Double reverse doesn't go backward, it goes forward. T1-R reverses direction to backward, and T2-R reverses it back to forward. It's one of them imponderables. Gotcha.0 -
dterry,
If I may be picky, the "51" for thirty-five is part of the serial number, but, I believe, models had some other designation such as the G. When WWII came along, it's my theory that Hudson had the '43 line-up in the works and had assigned, on paper, the 31, 32 33, 34, 38 serial numbers for those vehicles but they were, of course, never made. Those numbers would have reflected the "3" in 43. When the war ended and production resumed, they maintained that serial numbering system, hence the 31 thru 38 s/n '46s. They couldn't use "60s" serial numbers for the model number in '46 since that had been used in '36, so they used 51 thru 58 as model numbers (the "5" in '45) while using the 31-38 for s/n.
Similar dilemma for '47 (model 71+ had been used) except that they didn't have a good choice for s/n, so they added the "1" making them 170's. Problem solved for both s/n and model numbers for '47.
The next year began the practice of using the last two digits of the year for Model/Serial # but that only worked until '51 when they were back in the "already used" arena, hence the change to the A Series and beyond (no relation to the 50A)
That's my theory and I'm stickin' to it......'til proven wrong.
Frank
Josh, So two wrongs do make a right?0 -
Frank-
No, but apparently two steps back, does make one step forward!0 -
Frankvintagefullflowcom - you hit it right on the head. I think, also, that Hudson used the 3 in the serial number because that would have been 1943. Then to make life interesting they used a 5 to start the series numbers. Why they didn't just use either 3 or 5 who knows.
The only year that I can come up with that used both numbers and letters was 1935 - thus the 5x for the model number and G (51) and GU (52) for Terraplane (GH (53),HT (54), HU (55), HHU (56), HTL (57), AND HUL(58) for Hudson models) for a series letter. And then there were the Canadian models - these used the letter "C" between the Model Number and the serial number (63-C-xxxx - except in 1935 when the C was used at the beginning (C-51-xxxx)
Hudson did thing differently - they sure were different in a lot of ways.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
Rick, you got it! and a very good observation, Frank. In this case two wrongs do make a right.0
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The plot thickens a little0
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I believe I did explain why the 3 vs 5.....or at least tried to. A bit hard to follow but I've given it a lot of thought (like I've nothing else to think about). Avoiding the use of a previously used numbering sequence was the intent. Serial # is one thing, Model # is another in those days.
The challenge to make sense of it came when I rebuilt a 32**** s/n 212 for our 172**** that came out of a 52**** model '46 Hudson....... Huh?
I'm claiming victory 'til I'm proven wrong.
F
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1937-1942 Hudson Pick Up vin numbers list
1937
no vin # - Jeff Green 37 Terraplane Doodlebug (Tractor)
no vin # - Donaldson, J. B.
no vin # - Polkus, Joe & Theresa
no vin # - Albright, Barbqara A
no vin # - Ramsey, Eugene & Frances - 70 truck
no vin # - Heitkamp, Mike & Kathy
no vin # - Dike-Smith, Daphne
70580 - Smith, Conrad & Joan
70673 - Lanning, Dave & Babe
78393 - Smith, Conrad & Joan
78514 - Cabot, Reverend John & Eleanor
78539 - Gibbs, Robert & Heather Immel
316029 - Buchanan, Calvin & Virginia
701338 - Frock, Diane M.
701613 - Falk, Ronald & Carroll
701641 - Johnson, Glen & Maizie
701714 - Bundy, Dale & Peg
704463 - Norris, Mike & Pat
705343 - Clarke, John
706735 - Conrad, Larence G. & Marjorie
1938
no vin # - Schneider, Chuck
no vin # - Jennings, Jerry & Judy
8027481 - Dituri, David A. & Melba
8847750 - Heitkamp, Mike & Kathy
1939
no vin # - Soneff, John & Beverly
no vin # - Lathrop, Christopher & Carol
no vin # - Clark, Richard & Sun
904687 - Wible, James & Dawna
9142233 - Walrath, Allen & Nancy
9819711 - Quick, David J. & Patty
1940
no vin # - Ironhat, Julius
no vin # - Smith, Val
no vin # - England, Jack D. & Lory
no vin @ - Fisher, Harlyn
4744447 - Cooper, Dale W.
4870585 - Smith, Bruce J & Doris
4875573 - Nimtz, Ron - Elkto, Mich. Model 40
1941
no vin # - Reed, John & Kary
no vin # - Spring, Perry & Kay
no vin # - Eshelman, Gene & Myrna
no vin # - Bruner, J.Richard
no vin # - Thompson, Joseph W. & Robin
no vin # - Kerchner, Keith & Sharon
no vin # - Spring, Perry & Kay------------Pick Up Cab
no vin # - Jack Heislers son -------------Not in roster
no vin # - -----Not in roster-lwb- information presented by Dochubler-Wa. State
310FOW15 - Schow, Lowell & Elizabeth
47293 - Walker, James G & Gail
1026385 - Hubler, Tim
C1037598 - lG (Geo) - Not in roster
1042120 - Arlt, Ernest & Faye
C1050101 - ----Not in roster-swb- Information presented by DocHubler-Wa. State
C1052543 - ----Not in roster-swb- information presented by DocHubler-Wa. State
1056391 - Pontius, Lee & Carol
1057530 - Smith, Val
C1055879 - Glover, Don
1081538 - Crowe, Steve D.
1822005 - Goetz, Edward & Melrose
1843536 - Hughes, Frank & Patricia============vin # listed twice
1854833 - McKenzie, Larry & Bonnie
1867601 - Clark, Ruthie & Will
1875281 - Tom (12BoltTom)
1869286 - Bird, Lew & Vicki
1870861 - Hughes, Frank & Patricia=====correction one of 1843536
1891174 - Countryman, Robert & Linda
3871307 - Prie, George V.
50211854 - Keister, David & Mieke
1942
no vin # - Polkus, Joe & Theresa
no vin # - Wilcox, Joe
no vin # - Amsk, Dave
no vin # - Johnson, Cary Scott
2015124 - Townsend, Grant & Jeanetta
2023967 - Coleman, Stuart E. & Jeanne
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Frankvintagefullflowcom - not a problem with your numbers. As pointed out serial numbers started with a "3" (ie, 31, 32, 33, 34, 38) and model numbers started with a "5" (ie, 51, 52, 53, 54, 58) and fit as follows:
Model 51 - Super 6;
Model 52 - Commodore 6;
Model 53 - Super 8;
Model 54 - Commodore 8;
Model 58 - Commercial (Pickup trucks, etc).
I'm not sure why (does anybody know why Hudson did things the say they did??) but in 1947, retaining the same model lineup they started the model numbers with "17". Ok, the "7" stands for 1947, but who knows at this late date why the "1" in front. At least the model and serial numbers matched. Since 1948 model/serial numbers started with "48" one could ask why they didn't just use "47" (or "7") for the model/serial numbers in 1947. 'tis a puzzler", said the Grinch.
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
The only answer to that Q that I can think of is that they'd been using the last digit of the year as the first digit in the Model/Serial no. for long enough they didn't know what to do. so they added the "1". You're right though, it would have been logical to have begun the last-two-digits-of-the-year format a year earlier. Did the '34 s/n begin with "4"? I'm too lazy to go look.
Hmmmm. I wonder why the vin (1843536) is listed twice for our '41 pick-ups? We have two and I only have one s/n shown in my own list. I'm sure I submitted only the one for the roster.
They both exist but one came with a title that doesn't quite match the truck.........Since the plan was to make one from the two, I didn't worry about the discrepancy figuring I'd just use the one that matches up. I'll go check the pillar tag.
(Jeopardy theme music here)
Ok, I'm back...did you miss me? The s/n of the other one is 1870861 so you may update your info to reflect that if you like.
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Add this to the 41's. I sent it to Uncle Josh and got no reply. Here is the s/n of my boy and I's BIG BOY 1941 truck 18752810
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Frankvintagefullflowcom - 1934 models didn't start with a 4. Using the year number started in 1935 with the number "5" as the first number. That continued until the 1940 models which started with a "4" (ie. 40, 41, 43, etc). They used the number "4" probably because otherwise they would have had to start with a "0".
1941's, of course, started with a "1", 1942 started with a "2" and we know about the rest of the bunch.
Another question might be if they ran with 480, 490 and 500 why did the 1951 models (thru 1954) use letters. Of course 1951 would have been 500 which was used in 1950 so that is probably the reason. Then 1952 would have been a 520 series, 1953 a 530 and 1954 would be 540. Perhaps the mind set was to get things a little simplified and go to the numercal/alpha system from 1951 thru 1954.
Again who knows what Hudson's thinking was. They did a lot of things differently - the car keys for example. I'm not sure if it was all years, or just some, the ignition key was a round head and the door/trunk key was hex head. I think that's right. Everybody else did it the other way.
This is what makes Hudson research fun. Oh, yeah!!!!!!!
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Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN( 0 -
Ok, to beat it to death even further, they couldn't use 51, 52, 53, 54 as the first two digits since that had been used in '46 as model numbers. All '50s began with "50", it was just the Pacemaker that got to use the second "0". You knew that, I know.
I didn't think the 4 had been used as the first digit in '34. I was just pretending to be dumb.
How about pulling the lock knob upward to lock? Not a bad idea I guess as it's difficult to push it down with a wire. Like trying to stuff a wet noodle up a wildcat's.... uhhhh......nose.
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You also won't accidentaly lock your door by laying you arm on knob .0
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Frankvintage - just to toss some more mud into the serial number listings the 1950 Pacemaker DeLuxe carried a model number of "50A".
When it comes to researching Hudson serial numbers I sometimes think it would be easier to research something like, oh, Autocar or Octomobile or some such obscure make
Hudsonly
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
Don't forget the Henway.....I don't know that they had serial numbers at all.
F0 -
Frank,
You'r just waiting for someone to ask huh... what's a Henway?
John0 -
Rick, in the commercial body specifications list I have in the General Handbook (page 60, Table XI) the 1939 Model 91 Pacemaker Panel Delivery, body by Checker Cab, is listed. Checker also supplied the panel truck bodies for 1938 (88, 89) and 1940 (48).
Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN0 -
12 Bolt, your truck is in my roster. I need name, contact condition etc however. Sorry I apparently didn't get back to you.
If Lee's list is coming from the HET website, be aware that this is a work in process. My list is the membership list, modified by additions that are not yet in the roster or membership list, plus I retain old memberships.
I can probably find you a truck in your area if you want one. People who have them, die or drop out and may no longer be interested, or have come to the realization that they are never going to get to finish it.
BTW, Bruce Smith had just decided to sell his 40
Also, that 39 Model 91 Pacemaker Panel with body by checker is 20 mi from me and is also for sale.
HETcramerlp@roadrunner.com drop the HET of course
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1946 Hudson PU Vin Numbers
1946
383761 - Porter, Stanley & Janice
172470 - Hamson, Paul owner - Keister, David & Mieke previous owner
17855845 - Myers, Frank & Mary
17810108 - Vorse, Chuck & Carol=======1947 vin # listed as 46
178134498 - Ellis, Vern & Kristin ========1947 vin # listed as 46
no vin # - Bruce, George & Angela
no vin # - Powell, Ed & Donna
no vin # - Daigle, Larry
no vin # - David, David & Marci
no vin # - Hight, Byron
no vin # - Schoemaker, Everett & Mona
no vin # - Wilcox, Scott
no vin # - Day, charles M. (Mike) & Peggy
no vin # - Ramsey, Eugene & Frances
no vin # - Rose, Tom & mary
no vin # =- Bogaard, charles J. & Donna E
no vin # - Lathrop. Christopher & Carol
no vin # - Boyd, George & Nancy
no vin # - Welti, Jim & Pat
no vin # - Lathriop, Christoper & Carol
no vin # - Boyd, George & Nancy
no vin# - Reeves, Glen & Deborah
no vin # - Clark, Richard & Sun
no vin # - Clark Richard & Sun -------178 model listed as 1946
no vin # - Ypsilanti Automotive Museum
no vin # Bogg, Ron & Linda
no vin # - Dobson, Eldon
no vin # - Serino, Joseph & Annetta
no vin # - Ridenour, Richard
no vin # - Stump, Perry & Molly
no vin # - Erdman, Terry & Donna
no vin # - Riggs, Richard & Phyllis
no vin # - Maney, Chris
no vin # - West, Charlie & Ann
no vin # - Ramsey, Sam & Sandy
no vin # - Johnson, Bob & Bobbie
no vin # - cox, Tom & Tammy
no vin # - Harmon, Roger B & Britt
no vin # - Bowman, Randy & Jean
no vin # - Haldemann, Al
no vin # - Wandler, Jeff & Tammy
H308601 - Simon, Gregory & Marily9698 - Smith, Benny W & Sandra
38801 - Hudson, Tommy
382477 - Undercofler, Carl & Joyce
382932 = Allen, Fred & Jeannie
383306 - Sollon. j. David & Mitzi
383761 - Porter, Stanley & Janice
384186 - Lawrence, dJohn H. & Lucy
385273 - Miller, Todd & Sandra
386085 - Dobson, Richard & Jacqueline
386351 - McQueen, Kevin L. & Sharon
3136720 - Grady, Jay M.
3814186 - Burrow, Clovis & Joyce
3814278 - Gibson, Gary & Di
3814304 - Clarke, William H (Bill)
3815134 - Welch, Stephen & Sally
3815755 - Dabbs Robert & Rhoda
3816385 - Jenkins, Gareth
3818841 - Woodruff, Charles & Ok Ju
3820465 - Wyman, Jack & Deloers
3821451 - Karrar, Jeffrey & Sherel=========38 vin # listed as 1947
3822010 - Wheeler, Norman & Bessie
3822062 - Brewer, Alfred W. Edith
3823485 - Cramer, Larry & Gail
3823706 - Schneider, Chuck
3B25053 - Chastain, Doyle & Carolyn
3925352 - Brown, Jamres
3825582 - Fleis, Larry & Marilyn
3826845 - Wildrick, Doug & Terri
3828761 - Goetz, Mike & Mary
3828838 - Urcioli,Anthony
3829873 - Denton, D. A. & Sandra & Drew
3831931 - Cooper, Aaron K. & Kathryn
3832624 - Bordwell, Kurt & Shirley
3832999 - Ring, Dave
3833711 - Buchenroth, Kerry & Kim
3834741 - Thurman, Thomas & Michele
3835080 - Brown, Daniel A
3835157 - Hoyle, Bob & Ka ythy
3837237 - Whidtacre, Donald & Jennie
3837346 - Scott, Jack & Suzy
3837505 - Pinder, Fred (Ric) & Alice
3837661 - Porter, Stanley & Janice
3844637 - Hughes, Frank & Patricia
3845953 - Richter, Henry & Darlene
3846004 - Tormohlen, Paul & Betty
3846156 - Baroldi, Lance & Leanne
3851321 - Whaley, Elmer & Betty
3851536 - Kelly, Michael & Nadeen
3852854 - Fleis,, Larry & Marilyn
3853452 - Van Manen, Donald
3854356 - Heckman, Alan E & Arlyce
3857532 - Davis, Jeff & Donna
3857609 - Bachtel, Warren L & Marlene A
3860817 - Correllus, Dave & Judy
3862396 - Philippon, Joseph J. & Liliane
386351 - McQueen, Kevin L. & Sharon
3863981 - Dobke, Marek & Joan DE Neve
3865396 - Young, Robert M. & Donna Grant
3871307 - Price, George V.
3872422 - Babcock, Richard K & Joann Hosko
3875038 - Griggith, Richard A. & Mary
3875209 - Lorenz, Jr., Fred
3876539 - jjnan58yahoo.com-----------not listed in roster
3876589 - Efurd, Jr., Robert T. & Charlotte
3877643 - Whitworth, Kirby L.
3877812 - Albers, Delvin
3878625 - Fluttrow, Warren
3878678 - Harris, Charles J & Sharon
3878698 - Hill, Larry & Hilda
3886939 - Marshall, Robert W & Nanette
3877493 - Tollison, La Verne
3887755 - Doran, Alan
3887875 - Kleen, James
3888782 - Napiwocki, Thomas & Diane
3889165 - Nimtz, Jeffrey R. & Melissa
38373511 - Troost, Phil & Deb
38122110 - Albers, Delvin
58185577 - Harp, Gaylon & Esther
501104479 - Schutte, Dr. Clair & Jackie
586077299 - Goerges, Richard & Peg
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